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A right-wing plot to kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer should worry us all


A right-wing plot to kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer should worry us all

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Michigan’s Democratic governor, Gretchen Whitmer, allegedly was the target in a kidnap plot by right-wing extremists. A second alleged plot centered on the violent attack of the Michigan state Capitol.


One of the routine arguments by the pro-gun crowd is that the 2nd Amendment gives them the right to own firearms to protect themselves from a tyrannical government. But what happens when those guns are used to try to topple the government?

Federal and state officials in Michigan announced the arrests today of more than a dozen people on charges related to two alleged plots, one to kidnap Michigan’s Democratic governor, Gretchen Whitmer, and try her for treason, and the other an alleged scheme to attack the Michigan state Capitol with the aim of killing police and other first responders.

Yeah, wacky. But this is where we are. Note that gun-toting demonstrators barged into the Capitol in April during protests over stay-home orders that enraged many on the far right.

Those were the same demonstrators that President Trump egged on, tweeting “LIBERATE MICHIGAN!” as the armed group intimidated legislators from their perch in the balcony gallery. Then later, Trump urged Whitmer to make a deal with the armed protesters, tweeting that “Michigan should give a little, and put out the fire. These are very good people, but they are angry.”

Those “very good people” were not to be confused, of course, with the “very fine people” Trump earlier said were among the armed white nationalists who took part in the 2017 Charlottesville, Va., rally that led to the death of a woman protesting the hate-mongers.

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Why is it that not one of the Republican officeholders objecting to Biden's victory have objected to their own wins on the same day on the same ballots using the same election systems??!
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The government having guns is far worse.
The not only have arrested millions in the War on Drugs, but also murder thousands a year when police feel they are above the law.
We don't have a problem with whacko vigilantes so far.
We instead have a well proven problem with whacko government.
So anyone pushing gun control is just insane.
If anyone needs more proof, just remember how the government insisted Iraq had all those WMD we never found, after murdering half a million Iraqis.
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And lets not forget how crazy Gretchen Whitmer is.
She has forced millions of businesses into bankruptcy over the statistical mistake of forgetting to take into account the asymptomatic people infected with covid.
Since they were not being tested or counted, the government was claiming a covid lethality over 10 times higher than it really was.
So in reality covid is no more lethal than flu.
And we should have known that, since covid deaths of 30k/month are about the same as flu.
So then the whole lock down was unnecessary, useless, illegal, and stole the live savings of millions of people.
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Her politics does not give a bunch of crazy right wingers to do what they did. That you disagree with her politics, does not make her crazy either. Did I agree with all her policies, no but I wouldn't set her houses on fire or kidnap her either. What Trump did, blame her politics, she is a governor of the United States of America, he should have picked up the phone, asked if she was alright and what could he do, but no he was an asshole.
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Her politics does not give a bunch of crazy right wingers to do what they did. That you disagree with her politics, does not make her crazy either. Did I agree with all her policies, no but I wouldn't set her houses on fire or kidnap her either. What Trump did, blame her politics, she is a governor of the United States of America, he should have picked up the phone, asked if she was alright and what could he do, but no he was an asshole.



I doubt that she is crazy, as Rigby claimed, but I wouldn't describe her opponents that way either. We're often too quick to label people crazy when in reality their problem is something more prosaic.

Wanting to kidnap a governor whom you disagree with for trying to save people from a pandemic is more likely a matter of being stupid rather than crazy. Even if she was a bit overhanded in her methods it wouldn't justify a kidnapping. People on the right who attempt this kind of thing should ask themselves would they like it if the radical left started doing the same sort of thing to those politicians they admire?
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I always look at multi other countries in this world and what persons suffer. Maybe that is my problem, none of these guys looked they were homeless or hungry or that this country mirrors what I have seen in other countries, which includes refugee camps in France to displaced persons walking hundreds of miles to find a camp. That was a sad day that was hard to get over when you are enjoying a holiday. None of them live under a govt. that they would think of the unthinkable of being a displaced person with just the clothes on your back. I don't care if they are stupid or crazy and I think more crazy, they are domestic terrorists and that is crazy. These are the people that wouldn't last a day in many countries.
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Matter of fact they would never have survived as so called survivilists the great depression or WW2. Once they were food rationed, had lights out at dark and off the street, would have come unglued!
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Her politics does not give a bunch of crazy right wingers to do what they did. That you disagree with her politics, does not make her crazy either. Did I agree with all her policies, no but I wouldn't set her houses on fire or kidnap her either. What Trump did, blame her politics, she is a governor of the United States of America, he should have picked up the phone, asked if she was alright and what could he do, but no he was an asshole.



Of course it did.
She is murdering thousands of people and ruing millions more financially.
That borders on Hitler and the Holocaust.
And there is not a shred of science or law to defend her.
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quote:

katie5445 wrote:

Her politics does not give a bunch of crazy right wingers to do what they did. That you disagree with her politics, does not make her crazy either. Did I agree with all her policies, no but I wouldn't set her houses on fire or kidnap her either. What Trump did, blame her politics, she is a governor of the United States of America, he should have picked up the phone, asked if she was alright and what could he do, but no he was an asshole.



I doubt that she is crazy, as Rigby claimed, but I wouldn't describe her opponents that way either. We're often too quick to label people crazy when in reality their problem is something more prosaic.

Wanting to kidnap a governor whom you disagree with for trying to save people from a pandemic is more likely a matter of being stupid rather than crazy. Even if she was a bit overhanded in her methods it wouldn't justify a kidnapping. People on the right who attempt this kind of thing should ask themselves would they like it if the radical left started doing the same sort of thing to those politicians they admire?




Sure, any action at all can be justified when the governor is not making any sense, being crazy, murdering people, and ruining lives she has no power to ruin.

Any rational person has to look at history and see that ALL epidemics have only been ended by herd immunity.
NO epidemics ever have or ever can be ended by lock downs.
To then believe the contrary, is simply irrational and insane, regardless of what the governor's motives may be.

Now that we know 90% of those infected are asymptomatic, 10 times as many have been infected as we thought, and the lethality is a tenth what we thought, then covid-19 IS essentially identical to the flu. What would you do if some irrational governor forced a lock down with every seasonal flu, and forced the flu to last 4 times as long and kill 4 times as many people? Anyone who did nothing would be irresponsible.
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I always look at multi other countries in this world and what persons suffer. Maybe that is my problem, none of these guys looked they were homeless or hungry or that this country mirrors what I have seen in other countries, which includes refugee camps in France to displaced persons walking hundreds of miles to find a camp. That was a sad day that was hard to get over when you are enjoying a holiday. None of them live under a govt. that they would think of the unthinkable of being a displaced person with just the clothes on your back. I don't care if they are stupid or crazy and I think more crazy, they are domestic terrorists and that is crazy. These are the people that wouldn't last a day in many countries.



I do not get your point, as other countries do have camps, food, and health care for the homeless. It is ONLY the US that provides nothing for them. It is the US that is the most heartless and cruel when it comes to the homeless.
I used to constantly hire homess I would pick up at Home Depot parking lots. Can't do that any more because Home Depot arrests them now.
In the US we don't try to fix problems, we try to hide them by imprisoning innocent people.

But in the case of the MI governor, she just wants them dead.
Everyone knows "flattening the curve" means greatly increasing the death toll.
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