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I am not sure what makes Rigby think doctors go behind patients backs, doctors are upfront,there are states if you don't turn your driving license in for seizure disorder or blindness the doctor will and he will fill out that paperwork right in front of you. Doctors or person can ask anything to anyone they choose, you have a right not to answer anyone you choose. What I have noticed over decades, doctors rarely ask the questions that pertain to peoples rights to driving when they surely should and I have never heard where their internist/GP asked anyone about guns in the 3 states I have worked.
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if the doctor advises against driving until the condition or medication is over, why should a doctor go behind the patient's back?



how can I put this?


HELL YES!


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For example, a blind child could inherit a large firearm collection. So what



so nothing - blind people apparently have 2A rights - even blind people who routinely use house guests for target practice (John Wayne Rogers TWICE invited people back to his home and shot them - getting a pass both times)

As I said its not guns that are the problem - its the combination of guns, ammo, and people who shouldnt have them



Obviously he was not really blind, but was just claiming a disability from an accident while testing a fire extinguisher system.

The problem seems to be he is just a violent person, being involved in at least 3 similar incidents.

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Rogers has a history of violence. Four years ago, he fired 15 rounds from a handgun at Michael Rogers, his roommate and cousin, following a night of drinking and fighting in Geneva, according to court records.

Michael Rogers suffered scrapes but no gunshot wounds. The defendant was charged with aggravated assault but, in a deal with prosecutors, pleaded no contest to a lesser charge — unlawfully displaying a firearm — and was placed on probation.

That was revoked, however, when he pushed and punched a woman a year later, something that resulted in him spending 71 days in the Seminole County jail for domestic violence, according to court records.

Rogers shot DeWitt once in the chest with a .308 Remington assault rifle from a distance of 18 inches or less, defense attorneys said.

DeWitt and his girlfriend had gone to Rogers' house to drink beer and had spent the night, according to his arrest report, and the next day the group had made a 10 a.m. trip to the store to buy more beer.

The defendant testified that he asked DeWitt to leave but that the victim attacked him, so he went into the bedroom, retrieved his rifle, walked back into the living room and pointed it in DeWitt's general direction.

DeWitt then charged him, he said, so he fired one round.

DeWitt's girlfriend, Christina Ann Robertson, told Seminole County deputies that the two men had been "play fighting," something they sometimes did, when Rogers walked into another room, emerged with the rifle and shot DeWitt without provocation.

After listening to Rogers' testimony on Thursday, Circuit Judge John Galluzzo returned to the bench Friday morning and granted his "stand your ground" motion, meaning he declared the defendant immune from prosecution.

Before being blinded, Rogers served in the U.S. Marine Corps, defense attorneys said.
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I am not sure what makes Rigby think doctors go behind patients backs, doctors are upfront,there are states if you don't turn your driving license in for seizure disorder or blindness the doctor will and he will fill out that paperwork right in front of you. Doctors or person can ask anything to anyone they choose, you have a right not to answer anyone you choose. What I have noticed over decades, doctors rarely ask the questions that pertain to peoples rights to driving when they surely should and I have never heard where their internist/GP asked anyone about guns in the 3 states I have worked.



Those are permanent disorders, and no one is complaining about that.
But the point where it would be wrong would be when there is only a chance a temporary medication might reduce one's ability to drive, or a doctor makes a totally subjective decision about the state of mind of a patient without the necessary training or investigation.
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I don't disagree with that. I believe there is about 15% of persons on antidepressants, some going through a divorce, financial/job problems, etc., people have temporary personal issues where they are not going to go out and shoot someone. I was put on prozac going through menopause they were supposed to help, I lasted 3 months, load of bollocks, did nothing. I would have been very pissed if I owned a weapon and the govt. took it away. Temporary medication, as in narcotics or benzos prescriptions and the like? Doctors don't bother to ask, even regarding driving, unless you are leaving their facility loaded after being medicated, then it is must have ride. I'm not sure it'd enter their mind about a weapon.
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Those are permanent disorders, and no one is complaining about that.
But the point where it would be wrong would be when there is only a chance a temporary medication might reduce one's ability to drive, or a doctor makes a totally subjective decision about the state of mind of a patient without the necessary training or investigation.



Why is it wrong?

If a doctor is smart enough to see a possibility between something in a person's life and either a cause of their problem or a potential future problem, what is so bad about that?

A doctor's job is the health of their patients, either for existing problems or preventing them. To act like they should just mind their own business and keep out of a patient's personal life is stupid.

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Those are permanent disorders, and no one is complaining about that.
But the point where it would be wrong would be when there is only a chance a temporary medication might reduce one's ability to drive, or a doctor makes a totally subjective decision about the state of mind of a patient without the necessary training or investigation.



Why is it wrong?

If a doctor is smart enough to see a possibility between something in a person's life and either a cause of their problem or a potential future problem, what is so bad about that?

A doctor's job is the health of their patients, either for existing problems or preventing them. To act like they should just mind their own business and keep out of a patient's personal life is stupid.



It is wrong because just being a doctor does not mean he does not have a warped political agenda that is violently anti firearm or some other political agenda.
You can't start giving doctors the authority to not only discuss whatever political belief they may have an agenda about, but then also being given the authority to initiate the use of force against their patients.

The doctor has no authority or right to pry into the personal life of the patient, in order to dictate what the doctor thinks the lives of others should be like.

Do you really think doctors should dictate personal lives and choices?
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Why is it wrong?

If a doctor is smart enough to see a possibility between something in a person's life and either a cause of their problem or a potential future problem, what is so bad about that?

A doctor's job is the health of their patients, either for existing problems or preventing them. To act like they should just mind their own business and keep out of a patient's personal life is stupid.



It is wrong because just being a doctor does not mean he does not have a warped political agenda that is violently anti firearm or some other political agenda.
You can't start giving doctors the authority to not only discuss whatever political belief they may have an agenda about, but then also being given the authority to initiate the use of force against their patients.

The doctor has no authority or right to pry into the personal life of the patient, in order to dictate what the doctor thinks the lives of others should be like.

Do you really think doctors should dictate personal lives and choices?



Are you kidding me?

This isn't about doctors dictating anything, it's about doctors advising their patients.

No one has said anything about giving doctors any new authority. Doctors are already required to report certain information.

You want to dictate what doctors can and cannot discuss with their patients? What comes next, not asking a woman if she is pregnant because people are afraid a doctor will mention abortion?

This is insane.

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Warped doctors don't give a rats behind, if they are not warped they keep their politics to themselves.
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Why is it wrong?

If a doctor is smart enough to see a possibility between something in a person's life and either a cause of their problem or a potential future problem, what is so bad about that?

A doctor's job is the health of their patients, either for existing problems or preventing them. To act like they should just mind their own business and keep out of a patient's personal life is stupid.



It is wrong because just being a doctor does not mean he does not have a warped political agenda that is violently anti firearm or some other political agenda.
You can't start giving doctors the authority to not only discuss whatever political belief they may have an agenda about, but then also being given the authority to initiate the use of force against their patients.

The doctor has no authority or right to pry into the personal life of the patient, in order to dictate what the doctor thinks the lives of others should be like.

Do you really think doctors should dictate personal lives and choices?



Are you kidding me?

This isn't about doctors dictating anything, it's about doctors advising their patients.

No one has said anything about giving doctors any new authority. Doctors are already required to report certain information.

You want to dictate what doctors can and cannot discuss with their patients? What comes next, not asking a woman if she is pregnant because people are afraid a doctor will mention abortion?

This is insane.



No, it has nothing at all with doctors advising their patients.
This is about doctors abusing their authority to find out private personal facts about unsuspecting patients, who the doctor then turns in.
This is not theoretical, but something that has happened many times, and needs to be prevented.
Some doctors are deliberately getting their patients arrested or firearms confiscated, through political fanaticism.

There is never a time when a doctor needs to ask if a person owns firearms.
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So you think doctors get off on "abusing authority." Wrong, they are more concerned about doctor/patient relationships. What doctors are delibertely getting their patients arrested and firearms consfiscated, that is a load of bollocks.
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