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Actually Katie he does have a point although Im not sure that he understands it.
Edward Jenner noticed that milk maids rarely caught small pox and even when they did they did not get it severely, he found however that milkmaids rountinely became infected with the associated virus "cowpox" which manifests as a very mild case of small pox. he experimented on innoculating people with cow pox as a prophylactic for small pox.

He didnt know it at the time but the two virii although different are very similar in shape similar enough to fool the immune system into producing an anti body which was effective for both cow pox and small pox

But this only works because the shape of the the two virii is very similar



Of course I just made it up.
And exactly how does any vaccination work except by similar shape or chemical trail?
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/nurses-fired-refusing-flu-shot-224637902--abc-news-health.html?ref=gs

Nurses Fired for Refusing Flu Shot

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SYDNEY LUPKIN
ABC NewsJanuary 2, 2013

An Indiana hospital has fired eight employees, including at least three veteran nurses, after they refused mandatory flu shots, stirring up controversy over which should come first: employee rights or patient safety. The hospital imposed mandatory vaccines, responding to rising concerns about the spread of influenza.

Ethel Hoover wore all black on her last day of work as a nurse in the critical care unit at Indiana University Health Goshen Hospital. She said she was in "mourning" because she would have been at the hospital 22 years in February, and she's only called out of work four or five times in her whole career , she said.

"This is my body. I have a right to refuse the flu vaccine," Hoover, 61, told ABCNews.com. "For 21 years, I have religiously not taken the flu vaccine, and now you're telling me that I believe in it."

More than 15,100 flu cases have been reported to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention since Sept. 30, including 16 pediatric deaths. Indiana's flu activity level is considered high, according to the CDC, which last month announced that the flu season came a month earlier than usual.

Click here to read how flu has little to do with weather.

When Hoover first heard about the mandate, she said she didn't realize officials would take it so seriously. She said she filed two medical exemptions, a religious exemption and two appeals, but they were all denied. The Dec. 15 flu shot deadline came and went. Hoover's last day of employment was Dec. 21.

Fellow nurse Kacy Davis said she and her colleagues were "horrified" over Hoover's firing, calling her their "go-to" nurse and a "preceptor."

"It was a good place to work," Hoover said. "We've worked together all these years. We're like a family."

The hospital said in a statement that it implemented the mandate to promote patient safety based on recommendations from the American Medical Association, the American Nurses Association, and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. It announced the mandate in September. Of the hospital's 26,000 employees statewide, 95 percent complied. That means 1,300 employees did not comply, but only eight were fired.

"IU Health's top priority is the health and wellbeing of our patients," said hospital spokeswoman Whitney Ertel. "Participation in the annual Influenza Patient Safety Program is a condition of employment with IU Health for the health and safety of the patients that we serve, and is therefore required."

The CDC recommends flu shots for everyone older than six months of age. Dr. William Schaffner, chair of preventive medicine at Vanderbilt University Medical Center in Nashville, Tenn., said hospital patients are especially vulnerable to flu complications because their bodies are already weakened.

"I cannot think of a reason for any health care professional to decline influenza immunization that's valid," said Schaffner, a former president of the National Foundation for Infectious Diseases, adding that people with egg allergies may have to avoid the flu shot to prevent anaphylactic shock, but even that hurdle has been remedied. The Food and Drug Administration approved an egg-free vaccine in November.

Schaffner said invalid excuses to avoid the shot include being afraid of needles and simply promising to stay home when they're sick. Patients now have the option of a vaccine nasal spray if they want to avoid needles. And since flu victims become contagious before they start to feel sick, they can get patients sick even if they stay home when they have symptoms.

Over the last several years, hospitals have been moving toward mandatory vaccinations because many only have 60 percent vaccination rates, Schaffner said. He is leading an effort for a similar mandate at Vanderbilt University Medical Center.

Nurses in particular tend to be the most reluctant to get vaccinated among health care workers, Schaffner said, citing his opinion.

"There seems to be a persistent myth that you can get flu from a flu vaccine among nurses," he said. "They subject themselves to more influenza by not being immunized, and they certainly do not participate in putting patient safety first."

In October 2011, Vanderbilt broke the world record for number of vaccines administered in an eight-hour period in an event called Flulapalooza. From 6:50 a.m. to 2:50 p.m., they vaccinated 12,647 people. By that evening, more than 14,000 people had been vaccinated, and there were no severe adverse reactions, he said.

But still, Alan Phillips, who represented several nurses at the hospital, says his clients had the right to refuse their flu shots under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which prohibits religious discrimination of employees. Religion is legally broad under the First Amendment, so it could include any strongly held belief, he said, adding that the belief flu shots are bad should suffice.
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You are so off base I don't know where to begin, I'll do one, heart disease, along with high B/P or high cholesterol can be genetic no matter how "good" you are. Using the word "cure" is a mistake as well. Help prevent is the term used. I had thousands of patients on statins over years and I truly disagree with you, keeping someone living HEALTHY and LONGER at the same time is the ideal. I am on lipitor and B/P meds and I have been a very good girl. Without that statin I could be dead, without that B/P pill I could be sitting in a wheel chair pissing myself. Instead I'm still rockin' out( I have on a Queen CD) and raising two kids at almost 69 and being insured I pay 10 bucks out of pocket for each med.
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I have never had the flu and I have never had a flu vac.

People who need one should have it but I don't so I don't.
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The rate of medical personnel who refuse flu shot is 40%



that isnt what your link says!

The hospital said in a statement that it implemented the mandate to promote patient safety based on recommendations from the American Medical Association, the American Nurses Association, and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. It announced the mandate in September. Of the hospital's 26,000 employees statewide, 95 percent complied.


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Over the last several years, hospitals have been moving toward mandatory vaccinations because many only have 60 percent vaccination rates



People not doing it when it isnt mandated isnt the same as people refusing.

Until recently (2012) if you were allergic to eggs you couldnt have the vaccine - that isnt a refusal its and excemption



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lu Vaccination
Why should people get vaccinated against the flu?

Influenza is a serious disease that can lead to hospitalization and sometimes even death. Every flu season is different, and influenza infection can affect people differently, but millions of people get the flu every year, hundreds of thousands of people are hospitalized and thousands or tens of thousands of people die from flu-related causes every year. Even healthy people can get very sick from the flu and spread it to others. CDC estimates that flu-related hospitalizations since 2010 ranged from 140,000 to 710,000, while flu-related deaths are estimated to have ranged from 12,000 to 56,000. During flu season, flu viruses circulate at higher levels in the U.S. population. ("Flu season" in the United States can begin as early as October and last as late as May.) An annual seasonal flu vaccine is the best way to reduce your risk of getting sick with seasonal flu and spreading it to others. When more people get vaccinated against the flu, less flu can spread through that community.

Why do I need a flu vaccine every year?

A flu vaccine is needed every season for two reasons. First, the body's immune response from vaccination declines over time, so an annual vaccine is needed for optimal protection. Second, because flu viruses are constantly changing, the formulation of the flu vaccine is reviewed each year and sometimes updated to keep up with changing flu viruses. For the best protection, everyone 6 months and older should get vaccinated annually.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/protect/keyfacts.htm



No, the CDC only recommends those over 60 get the flu vaccine.
That is because the negative rate is higher than the benefits for those under 60.




Not so.

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Everyone 6 months and older is recommended for annual flu vaccination with rare exception. For the 2016-2017 season, CDC recommends use of injectable flu vaccines--inactivated influenza vaccine (or IIV) or the recombinant influenza vaccine (RIV). The nasal spray flu vaccine (live attenuated influenza vaccine or LAIV) should not be used during 2016-2017. This page lists all people recommended to get a flu vaccine, who can and can’t get the flu shot and who should take precautions or talk to their doctor or other health care professional before vaccination. Talk to your doctor or nurse if you have any questions regarding which flu vaccine is best for you and your family.

All persons aged 6 months and older are recommended for annual vaccination, with rare exception.



https://www.cdc.gov/flu/protect/whoshouldvax.htm
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You are so off base I don't know where to begin, I'll do one, heart disease, along with high B/P or high cholesterol can be genetic no matter how "good" you are. Using the word "cure" is a mistake as well. Help prevent is the term used. I had thousands of patients on statins over years and I truly disagree with you, keeping someone living HEALTHY and LONGER at the same time is the ideal. I am on lipitor and B/P meds and I have been a very good girl. Without that statin I could be dead, without that B/P pill I could be sitting in a wheel chair pissing myself. Instead I'm still rockin' out( I have on a Queen CD) and raising two kids at almost 69 and being insured I pay 10 bucks out of pocket for each med.




Wrong.
There is not a single case of high cholesterol that that can't be dealt with by control of diet and exercise.
Statin drugs are absolutely known for destroying arteries and veins by hardening them. Over prolonged exposure, they can't expand or contract any more, leading eventually to much HIGHER rates of heart attack deaths.


http://www.liveinthenow.com/article/new-study-finds-statin-drugs-accelerate-hardening-of-arteries

Statin Drugs Accelerate Hardening of Arteries, Study Finds
by Mary West

The pharmaceutical industry claims the cardiovascular benefits of statins outweigh their many troubling side effects, as well as their risk of causing type 2 diabetes. A new study that shows these drugs accelerate arterial calcification appears to refute this claim, leaving Big Pharma without a leg to stand on.

Findings are a blow to Big Pharma’s claims.

In the research published in Diabetes Care, scientists examining patients with type 2 diabetes and severe atherosclerosis discovered that coronary artery calcification was decidedly greater in more frequent statin users compared to those who were less frequent users. Even more disturbing, in a subgroup of participants who initially did not take statins, advancement of coronary artery calcification (CAC) and aortic artery calcification (AAC) was decidedly greater in those who used statins frequently.
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There is not a single case of high cholesterol that that can't be dealt with by control of diet and exercise



that is bull!
only a small percentage of the cholesterol in your blood comes from your food the rest is manufactured by your body so even reducing the cholesterol in your diet to zero wont necessarily reduce your blood cholesterol to a safe number
- your body is quite capable of making too much


"For most people, about 80 percent of the cholesterol in their blood is made by their own body, with the rest coming from their diet. In fact, your body needs cholesterol so much that it makes around 3,000 milligrams per day that’s ten times the maximum recommendation for daily dietary cholesterol."

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Of course a website that supports natural products would say that, I expect no less but unfortunately for those sites medical science has proved them wrong. Not that I am not in support of going natural whenever possible, garlic and niacin work well for many people for elevated cholesterol. If given the choice and it works I will go natural. I have always had an excellent diet, I have always exercised and actually been quite sporty, I have always made sure I get plenty of sleep and I'm a low stress person, so why do I have elevated cholesterol and high B/P? It is because you (I know it's rough) are wrong.
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There is not a single case of high cholesterol that that can't be dealt with by control of diet and exercise



that is bull!
only a small percentage of the cholesterol in your blood comes from your food the rest is manufactured by your body so even reducing the cholesterol in your diet to zero wont necessarily reduce your blood cholesterol to a safe number
- your body is quite capable of making too much


"For most people, about 80 percent of the cholesterol in their blood is made by their own body, with the rest coming from their diet. In fact, your body needs cholesterol so much that it makes around 3,000 milligrams per day that’s ten times the maximum recommendation for daily dietary cholesterol."



Nonsense.
NONE of the cholesterol in your blood comes directly from the food you eat.
Cholesterol can't pass the membranes.
All of the cholesterol in your blood is produced by your own body, OUT of the food that you consume. So by changing the food you consume, you can greatly reduce the amount of cholesterol your body produces.

What you claim is like the obese person who claims it can't be their fault because they never consume fat or grease, and only consume sugar instead.
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