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I'm very familiar with guys murdering women and getting lenient sentences



So prevalent and yet you consistantly fall back on the same old (usually very old) cases as 'evidence'

Jimmy Lee Gray has been dead for almost 35 years



The reason why I continue to mention the Jimmy Lee Gray case is because it is one of the best examples of this kind of thing. It's irrelevant that it happened a long time ago because the same sort of stupidity in dealing with this sort of criminal still exists and still results in murderers of women being treated leniently.

If you really need to see more recent cases here's a really good one that illustrates the problem, that of Ezekiel Gilbert. He murdered Lenora Frago and wasn't even convicted of murder. His moronic jury acquitted him even though they knew that he had shot and killed her.

There is a continuum of murderers of women being treated leniently from Jimmy Lee Gray to the present but that phenomenon didn't begin with Gray.
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My question, I notice, remains unanswered (by any one)"Are convicts who have served their sentence not permitted to seek employment?"

[I really think it depends on the crime and his or her behaviour while incarcerated. That's the way I would judge it.



Of course. People who commit murder shouldn't even be free to be employed after they have served only seven years in prison. That's a ridiculously lenient sentence for murder. But because the victim was a young woman whom they didn't care about officials didn't view it as ridiculous.
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The reason why I continue to mention the Jimmy Lee Gray case is because it is one of the best examples of this kind of thing.



If your 'best example' is over 40 years old then you dont have much of a case!


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People who commit murder shouldn't even be free to be employed after they have served only seven years in prison.



that, as I explained, is a totally separate issue

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Are you asking me?



No it was just a general question, but I cant see why some one who has served their sentence shouldnt resume normal life, although obviously you might not want a convicted paedophile taking up a post as a primary school teacher, or a convicted embezzler taking a position as a bank manager - you can criticise the length of the sentence but that is a separate issue.

My question, I notice, remains unanswered (by any one)"Are convicts who have served their sentence not permitted to seek employment?"



On this particular case serving 7 years of a 22 year sentence really isn't serving a sentence and you are going back to a job that makes you a millionaire, a hero and a hero to children as well. Not that I'm one to hold up sports persons as an example, usually quite the opposite but in this case it crosses or should cross boundaries. Yes, I believe in 2nd chances and if one is not given a chance for employment as soon as possible, statistics show more than likely they will be back in jail.
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I agree with Katie.

A story here is about a bald paedophile who abused a youth then killed the young fellow's father has got a court ruling that he must be allowed to wear his wig in jail. Sheesh!
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serving 7 years of a 22 year sentence really isn't serving a sentence



It might not be serving THE sentence but it is certainly serving A sentence.

serving one third of a sentence seems lienient but what is normal in Brazil?
If serving a third is what they do then that is what they do (here in NI terrorists used to only serve 50%) and there was no special treatment.

In any case I really dont see why a convict having been lawfully released from prison should not seek paid employment, and I would make no distinction between a road sweeper going back to his former employment and a footballer going back to his former employment

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A story here is about a bald paedophile who abused a youth then killed the young fellow's father has got a court ruling that he must be allowed to wear his wig in jail



why shouldnt he wear his wig in jail?

a local woman caught smuggling drugs in Peru was allowed to dye her hair whilst in jail ...and operated a 'salon' in the jail where she dyed the hair of other women.

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If your 'best example' is over 40 years old then you dont have much of a case!-mais




It's not my best example, just a really good one that also illustrates what can happen when someone like this murderer is released from prison. Jimmy Lee Gray didn't stop with killing his 16-year-old girlfriend. After he was released he murdered a little girl who was under five years old.

But there are plenty of more recent examples of guys being treated very leniently who have murdered women. What I've found is that for those who remain unconvinced of the problem any number of those examples leave them unconvinced. That suggests that their minds are closed to the truth. Nothing would convince them.

I knew the truth after just a few examples. When you see juries consisting of 12 people being as cold as ice towards young women who have been murdered and their families it's not difficult to discern the truth if you are receptive to it.

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A story here is about a bald paedophile who abused a youth then killed the young fellow's father has got a court ruling that he must be allowed to wear his wig in jail



why shouldnt he wear his wig in jail?

a local woman caught smuggling drugs in Peru was allowed to dye her hair whilst in jail ...and operated a 'salon' in the jail where she dyed the hair of other women.



Smuggling drugs is the moral equivalent of jay walking. She shouldn't even be locked up in prison.
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But there are plenty of more recent examples



so use them and stop trawling up ancient history


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Smuggling drugs is the moral equivalent of jay walking. She shouldn't even be locked up in prison



this may come as a shock but in some countries they EXECUTE drug smugglers

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