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No, none of those examples are worth anything.
The convicted felon likely was dealing drugs



ONE convicted felon who you have decided (on the basis of nothing - there were several charges filed none of which involved drugs) was dealing drugs does not taint the rest of the examples (of which I could post many more)

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Most of the others were at home, not in a bar


TWO of the others was at home


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the cop is required to remain armed, even in a bar, in many states



what happens "in many states" is totally irrelevant! NYPD are not required to be armed off duty


on what basis are you going to try and exclude

Police said a Bronx bar co-owner and father of three children is critical but stable after an intoxicated patron turned belligerent and shot him at least twice early Friday
http://pix11.com/2016/07/22/shooting-at-bronx-bar-leaves-man-fighting-for-his-life/

A bar fight allegedly led to a double shooting that left one man dead
http://www.westfargopioneer.com/news/4190817-brothers-shot-after-apparent-fight-all-night-bar-party-one-dies


Friends and family of bar shooting victims say suspect was drunk, hateful and hurling racist comments
http://fox4kc.com/2017/02/23/friends-and-family-of-bar-shooting-victims-say-suspect-was-drunk-hateful-and-hurling-racist-comments/


A Kansas man accused of shooting two Indian immigrants and a third man at a bar, in what some believe was a hate crime, was always a drinker but became a "drunken mess" after his father died about 18 months ago, a longtime neighbor said Saturday.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/02/26/neighbor-kansas-bar-attack-suspect-drunken-mess-not-political.html

Bar manager shot after refusing to serve drunk patron
http://nypost.com/2016/07/22/bar-manager-shot-after-refusing-to-serve-drunk-patron/

Drunk Man Fired Gun Outside Crowded Long Island Bar Before Driving Off:
http://patch.com/new-york/bellmore/drunk-man-fired-gun-crowded-bar-driving-police


to suggest that drunks dont carry guns is just plain nonsense.
drunk people DO carry guns
drunk people DO shoot people

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Problem is in the US it is easier for a felon on the street to procure a illicit or black or even gray market handgun than it is for a law abiding citizen to go out and buy a rifle let alone a handgun.

In East St. Louis a undercover ATF agent(a close friend) found by telling a few people he was interested in finding a untraceable handgun while working as a simple janitor in a school he was directed to five different locations where if he were to leave a packet of $500 he would find a replacement packet with a revolver in it. He did so at all five locations and attained three fully illegally entered into the US firearms as well two stolen arms(one a retired Police assembly).

The ongoing investigation has identified some thirty individuals marketing weapons in ONE, US Illinois town. It is his superior's conjecture this is about as rampant a situation as can get.

And NO there is ZERO chance any purchase law, control law, access law or other form of written law other than prosecuting the illicit trade and importation of firearms once the members are caught to control this.
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can a 'law abiding citizen' not obtain his guns from the same souirces as the felon?

Felons surely buy their guns in the almost totally unregulated peer to peer market

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Mary as usual you completely go off base to try to find a way around. ANYONE can buy illicit weapons, in UK as well Canada or AU they still exist and will continue to exist. Placing laws upon the general population will not ever cease these actions.

It is a attitude, much as is beginning to awaken in EU, UK, AU that being a boisterous ass, being belligerent is a positive as to making people consider a person as a leader or as a powerful person. Somewhere the mind set was made as to the poor males finding solace in being the 'cowboy' with the firearm or knife or speeding auto that has control of a situation regardless the negative outcomes.

The need is to fix the attitude NOT rid the tools of use as you remove one another is substituted, as is obvious by the news broadcasts.

A TN family is suing the state for a improper guardrail, a railing the owner of the auto was billed for as to damaging. The young woman that died as her car struck the rail and instead of rolling up the rail impaled her. The data is the railing was 'rated' at a 60mph headlong impact, the speed limit is 70 and the young woman's car careened off the roadway well above that.

The railing was not at fault, it did not step out onto the roadway to kill her, the railing is a last final step to avoid the leaving of the motorway to potentially cause other damage or personal injury to those OFF the roadway. She over drove the roadway conditions, she impacted the railing above the speed design and it killed her, not the railing but the action.

How do you see that, as the railing was responsible or the young woman? That is the tell tale marker.

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Mary as usual you completely go off base



Im off base?
NOTHING in my post mentions or implies 'Placing laws upon the general population'.
 I was simply observing that your comment about felons finding it easier to buy guns than 'law abiding citizens' was false, law abiding citizens can buy guns in exactly the same places used by felons and be subjected to exactly the same lack of controls as are placed on felons

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Yet FELONS are illegal as to ownership or purchase of a LEGAL weapon WAS my intention of consideration.

Why would any, ANY legal to buy a firearm person buy a potential piece of crap for cash money they cannot recover if the mechanism is junk when they can go to a store, inspect, reserve and purchase a weapon of quality they wish to enjoy in recreational use?

For less than $500 I can buy most any LEGAL decent revolver, I can add to that a few hundred and purchase a very nice semi auto loading handgun of name brand and warrantied.

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Yet FELONS are illegal as to ownership or purchase of a LEGAL weapon



I know, but there are no laws in place which restrict them from buying, a situation which you seem happy with.

 Any felon can buy a gun off any private seller with no questions asked and there is no way around that without 'Placing laws upon the general population'.



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cooter50 wrote:
Problem is in the US it is easier for a felon on the street to procure a illicit or black or even gray market handgun than it is for a law abiding citizen to go out and buy a rifle let alone a handgun.



The question is; where did those illicit firearms originate?


...one of the most common ways criminals get guns is through straw purchase sales. A straw purchase occurs when someone who may not legally acquire a firearm, or who wants to do so anonymously, has a companion buy it on their behalf.
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The next biggest source of illegal gun transactions where criminals get guns are sales made by legally licensed but corrupt at-home and commercial gun dealers.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/guns/procon/guns.html

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Roughly 3/5's of the captured firearms in known criminal actions were of the
"Saturday Night Special" variety, Illegally imported, brought across international lines by traffickers shipped in by those unscrupulous persons of black marketeering. Some have made up manufacturing names, most are Asian in origin(based on steels composition) where documentation is impossible to backtrack.

NOT straw Purchase, not directly bought from licensed dealers or even legal firearms owned and sold by private owners or those firearms stolen in past time.
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Roughly 3/5's of the captured firearms in known criminal actions were of the
"Saturday Night Special" variety, Illegally imported,





source?
or is this one of the 78% of statistics which are made up on the spot?

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