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I don't recall ever claiming that addicts were in control of their addiction. What I said was that they were in control of their behaviour. Addicts don't commit violent crimes because they are out of control and can't help but commit violent crimes.
Addicts certainly can't just snap their fingers and make their addictions go away but they can be helped to deal with those addictions without all the hysteria this society generates over drug addiction. And keeping a drug like heroin illegal while allowing a drug like fentanyl to partly replace it on a black market is a recipe for mass casualties, as we have seen in this country.
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In control of their behavior, in what way? Addiction not dependence on narcotics means the narcotic has control and you have lost it and it doesn't matter if it is gambling, food or drugs, it seriously interferes with your life and those around you. There is drug war hysteria which obviously does not work but so many families have dealt with addiction from all walks of life that I don't think "society" is hysterical. No mother holds her infant in her arms and thinks future heroin addict, sign my kid up.
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In control of their behavior, in what way? Addiction not dependence on narcotics means the narcotic has control and you have lost it and it doesn't matter if it is gambling, food or drugs, it seriously interferes with your life and those around you.
The narcotic does not have control of you. If the narcotic had control of addicts explain how any addict has managed to stop using the narcotic. People sometimes stop using them so they must have been the ones truly in control, not the narcotic.
People can also switch to other narcotics to deal with their addiction so the original narcotic they became addicted to obviously is not controlling them. They are still in control of their behaviour.
quote: There is drug war hysteria which obviously does not work but so many families have dealt with addiction from all walks of life that I don't think "society" is hysterical. No mother holds her infant in her arms and thinks future heroin addict, sign my kid up.
I'm not claiming that addiction isn't a problem but the mythology and hysteria about "evil" drugs like heroin turns what should be an easily controllable problem into something resembling a monster. Even more significantly it makes using drugs like heroin much more dangerous for people who choose to use them.
As you know heroin is just another narcotic that a lot of drug addicts prefer over other narcotics. It is neither evil nor a drug that takes control of people. It is simply a drug that generates a tremendous high that some people like. Taking a risk to achieve that high is their right just like the right of people to jump out of air planes for the high they get from that.
Until this society realizes that it will just be causing more trouble for people who choose to use heroin. There is nothing evil about choosing to use heroin. It's just a risky choice that some people make.
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And keeping a drug like heroin illegal while allowing a drug like fentanyl to partly replace it on a black market is a recipe for mass casualties, as we have seen in this country
Did I miss Fentanyl being legalized?
I though that Fentanyl was still just as illegal as Heroin so it can hardly be said that someone is "allowing" it to replace Heroin.
EVERYONE who takes either Heroin or Fentanyl is a volunteer, they know the risk and they choose to take it
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Fentanyl is legal by prescription. Heroin is not legal at all in this country. It is available legally in England with restrictions.
quote: EVERYONE who takes either Heroin or Fentanyl is a volunteer, they know the risk and they choose to take it-mais
Some of those folks are only intending to take heroin, not fentanyl. If they always knew when they were getting fentanyl, how dangerous it is and how small an amount of it they could safely take then they'd at least have a chance.
It's important that heroin be legally available so that those who choose to use it can be assured that heroin is what they are getting and not fentanyl.
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you pays your money and yo takes your chances
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All control means is to have power over someone, you can break away, whether being domestically abused or a drug addict. Some people flee their countries, others religion and so on.
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