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Seems the deaths in Italy were from a high elderly percentage, combined with ventilator shortage.
Too bad, because you can get ventilators for only about $1500 on Alibaba.

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/HV-400A-Medical-Ventilator-machine-price_60400119707.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normalList.53.62b230940hEf4q

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just guessing here but if you are lying there ar deaths door unable to breathe unaided wont you need someone to work the machine? and wont that person need some kind of training?

also I notice that that item is shipped direct from China is that a good idea?

I have bought stuff diest from China instruction manuals is not something they are good at - they seem to rely heavily on Google translate

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There has never been a bigger idiot inthe Oval Office than Trump! He has brought this whole country to a stand still. Millions of people laid off. Store shelves cleared of products like potatoes, eggs and toilet paper. ALL because the stupidest and most arrogant president refused the vaccines from the WHO, AND ALSO had disbanded the entire pandemic task force team. He further complicated the crisis by claiming it was a hoax.

Our people are not able to get tested because no tests are available. Since we don't know who is sick and who is not, EVERYBODY has to stay locked down and businesses shuttered. South Korea doesn't have that problem. They are testing their people so they know who to quarantine and who is safe. We don't have that luxury in this country. Nobody knows who is sick, so we need to take precautions against EVERYBODY.

This entire crises is due to Trump's idiocy. Firing the pandemic health scientists is Trump's fault. The lack of availability of test kits is Trump's fault. The closing of businesses is Trump's fault. The massive layoffs is Trump's fault. The empty store shelves is Trump's fault. The stock market knocked back to the levels of Obama's day is Trump's fault. Trump's idiocy has come home to roost, and still many conservative clowns have asked for it, with some even embracing it!

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Store shelves cleared of products like potatoes, eggs and toilet paper.



to be fair thats not his fault - indeed he did what he could to prevent it by claiming that covid19 was a big nothing burger(I paraphrase)


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Our people are not able to get tested because no tests are available



again if you dont test you dont know how bad the problem is so you can tell people there are only 15 people sick and soon it will be none - which stops people from panicing

Whilst I agree that initially (and before covid19 struck) Trump said and did some stupid things but of late he seems to be doing fairly well - much as it pains me to say it


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Firing the pandemic health scientists is Trump's fault.



agreed BUT how much would it have changed things?


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The closing of businesses is Trump's fault.


businesses are closed all over the world so its hardly Trumps fault!


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The empty store shelves is Trump's fault


people are stupid but that is hardly Trumps fault!
there is panic buying and empty selves every where!

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The stock market knocked back to the levels of Obama's day



stock markets in London and the far east have also taken a hit - that Trumps fault too?


once again he started out by handling this very badly but currently he is doing quite well

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It took Trump 5 wks to acknowledge it wasn't a democratic hoax, he turned down masks, he gave I don't know how many people a couple days to filter through airports nose to nose to get home. What he has done is spread the disease. The disease is not his fault, how he was a day late and dollar short, is.
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just guessing here but if you are lying there ar deaths door unable to breathe unaided wont you need someone to work the machine? and wont that person need some kind of training?

also I notice that that item is shipped direct from China is that a good idea?

I have bought stuff diest from China instruction manuals is not something they are good at - they seem to rely heavily on Google translate



Of course once you are dying from respiratory failure, it is too late to put in an order.
The point was that with a little investment, hospitals could be more prepared for greater capacity.
But the manuals are not an issue even if poor translations because something the size of a hospital would either already have multi lingual staff, or could easily afford the translation.
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I'm not sure, and it certainly is better to error on the side of caution, but COVID-19 seems no worse then the 2009 virus epidemic.

Here is the stats about China, to give a perspective:
{...
Coronavirus Cases:
80,967

Deaths:
3,248

Recovered:
71,150
...}
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/china/


https://www.biospace.com/article/2009-h1n1-pandemic-versus-the-2020-coronavirus-pandemic/

{...
Italy
31,506 confirmed cases
2,503 deaths

U.S.
5,702 confirmed cases
93 deaths
...}

Compred with H1N1 in 2009:

{...
The 2009 H1N1 pandemic originated in the United States before spreading around the world. The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimated that from April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010, there were 60.8 million H1N1 cases, with 274,304 hospitalizations and 12,469 deaths in the U.S. alone. They also estimate that worldwide, 151,700 to 575,400 people died from (H1N1)pdm09 during the first year.
...}

Since China seems over the hump and on the mend, it does not seem so bad?
But that could be due to such strong measures taken.
And the US could end up being different.

But there still may be some basis to believe we are over reacting. Not just because the death rate is not as high as first suspected, but also because it is not clear any measures actually change anything? If someone avoids COVID-19 this year, they are still going to get it eventually, even if not this year. For example, the Spanish flu of 1918 did not disappear. What made it seem to go away is that once everyone got it, then they became immune to it.
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That would be wrong, it is attributed to Asia or Mexico. Measures mean everything, I have never known in life where a pandemic was not expected, yet the govt. is totally unprepared. I don't know why anyone when you are talking life or death would not want to error on caution, disease is slowed downed by prevention and why we get seasonal flu shots, which in fact 75% of the H1N1 is for swine flu as in the 1918 epidemic, What they are seeing in China, no cases reported for a day, yet coronaviruses can come in "waves" to say they are through it, is misleading and comparing it to any other coronavirus is not acceptable, especially when Asian countries thought they were done with it and they are not. There is no such thing as over reacting it is better than under reacting, Those countries with less deaths, reacted, quick and with measures that would be hard for Americans. Whether a flu virus or corona virus it does not just go away they have been around for as long as man has existed, they just go through a population, weaken and then another virus comes along, this may be a corona virus which is a new word for many but it is what has been around for centuries, swine flu, bird flu, it can be horses to chickens to dogs/cats, camels to even whales.
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5,702 confirmed cases
93 deaths



those figures look quite old - they change almost hourly currently (noon GMT 20 March)they are
USA
14336 confirmed cases
217 deaths
64 serious/critical


China
80,967 confirmed cases
3,248 deaths
2,136 serious/critical


BUT remember that china had three weeks of a head start and US numbers are doubling every two days - 14000 doesnt have to double very often to reach 80 000

China took extreme measures and managed to contain the out break in a comparatively small area - America and Americans would not tolerate such restrictions

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I do not understand these last 2 responses.
My point was two fold.

First, the 2009 pandemic seems to have been far worse, and no one hardly cared about that one at all.

Second is that slowing a spread actually accomplishes nothing but reduce hospital crowding, since eventually the same number of people, (essentially everyone), will get it, and the same number will eventually die from it.

If those are not correct, can we be more specific as to why?
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