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Let's replace police officer's guns with cell phones
Maybe then 911 calls would be taken more seriously!
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On the morning of June 21, 2015, a young mother of one, Lindsay Nichols was found dead in her car at the corner of Lake Forest and Michoud boulevards in Louisiana.
Nichols, 31, a single mom, had spent the night out with some of her friends at a club in New Orleans East, but by morning, she was discovered dead in the trunk of her car which had been set on fire. Later, the medical examiner found that Nichols' body had been through a significant amount of trauma. She had been shot many times, had been manually strangulated and had also been battered in the face. The severity of the injuries led investigators and detectives to believe that it had been a personal crime and someone who knew her had killed her.
24 days post the victim's body being found, as part of an investigation into her murder, detectives were able to access her phone records. It was upon looking through Nichols' phone records that New Orleans Police Department Homicide Detective Sgt. Robert Barrere learned that Nichols had made a desperate 911 call that day. A man was outside her car threatening her.
Barrere heard the call and learned how that 911 call could have saved her life had it been managed properly. On the call, Nichols was heard pleading for her life, screaming, with sounds of physical violence in the background. The operator could hear her screaming while a man in the background demanded that she open her mouth so he could place a gun inside of it. Then the line went dead. The 911 dispatcher did not immediately send anyone to help her. After a good eight minutes after Nichols made her call, the dispatcher sent a police officer who was three blocks away from the scene. By the time officials arrived to investigate a "low-level response", the killer had left with Nichols.
Lindsay apparently managed to get into her car from which she made the 911 call but couldn't drive it away because one of her attackers had the keys. Of course if she had had a gun instead of a cell phone things might have turned out a little differently.
https://meaww.com/new-orleans-mom-distressed-911-call-detectives-solve-2015-set-fire-brutal-murder-exotic-dancer
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Yes, firearms are the equalizer that allow democratic republics to work.
We assume police should be armed because attackers might be, but no one attacks police. It is actually everyone else except police who really need to be armed. The police can never protect anyone else, so we should all e protecting ourselves, (and others).
Thinking police could or should protect us, is not just wrong, but irrational and dangerous. They will never be there when it is necessary and police actually represent the greatest threat imaginable.
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why did Lindsay Nichols not have a gun - has some law been passed forbidding women from carrying them or did she (a presumably mature woman of sound mind) make that decision for herself?
there is no way of knowing that she would have been any less dead had she been armed
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but no one attacks police.
Not every one got that memo you might consider resending it
(some from THIS year)
Officer Tiffany-Victoria Enriquez and Officer Kaulike Kalama were shot and killed while responding to a stabbing call at a home at 3015 Hibiscus Drive shortly after 9:00 am.
Deputy Sheriff Richard Whitten succumbed to complications of a gunshot wound sustained on May 29th, 2019, while responding to a shots fired call in Cleveland.
Police Officer Nick O'Rear was shot and killed during a vehicle pursuit
Trooper Joseph Bullock was shot and killed at approximately 10:15 while assisting a disabled vehicle on I-95 just north of the interstate rest area in Martin County
Officer David Kellywood was shot and killed after responding to reports of shots being fired near the Hon-Dah Casino in Pinetop, Arizona, shortly before 1:00 am.
Corporal Andrew Gillette was shot and killed while he and other deputies attempted to serve a detention order and eviction notice at a home at 3120 Thomas Sumter Highway at 11:30 am.
Police Officer Brent Scrimshire was shot and killed while conducting a traffic stop in the 100 block of Kenwood Street at approximately 6:30 pm.
Corporal James O'Connor was shot and killed during a SWAT team operation to arrest a homicide suspect at 5:50 am.
Police Officer Chris Walsh was shot and killed as he and another officer confronted an active shooter at a convenience store at 2885 E Chestnut Expressway.
Sergeant Ben Jenkins was shot and killed when he stopped to assist a disabled motorist on US-93 near mile marker 106 in White Pine County shortly before 6:00 am
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why did Lindsay Nichols not have a gun - has some law been passed forbidding women from carrying them or did she (a presumably mature woman of sound mind) make that decision for herself?
there is no way of knowing that she would have been any less dead had she been armed
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but no one attacks police.
Not every one got that memo you might consider resending it
(some from THIS year)
Officer Tiffany-Victoria Enriquez and Officer Kaulike Kalama were shot and killed while responding to a stabbing call at a home at 3015 Hibiscus Drive shortly after 9:00 am.
Deputy Sheriff Richard Whitten succumbed to complications of a gunshot wound sustained on May 29th, 2019, while responding to a shots fired call in Cleveland.
Police Officer Nick O'Rear was shot and killed during a vehicle pursuit
Trooper Joseph Bullock was shot and killed at approximately 10:15 while assisting a disabled vehicle on I-95 just north of the interstate rest area in Martin County
Officer David Kellywood was shot and killed after responding to reports of shots being fired near the Hon-Dah Casino in Pinetop, Arizona, shortly before 1:00 am.
Corporal Andrew Gillette was shot and killed while he and other deputies attempted to serve a detention order and eviction notice at a home at 3120 Thomas Sumter Highway at 11:30 am.
Police Officer Brent Scrimshire was shot and killed while conducting a traffic stop in the 100 block of Kenwood Street at approximately 6:30 pm.
Corporal James O'Connor was shot and killed during a SWAT team operation to arrest a homicide suspect at 5:50 am.
Police Officer Chris Walsh was shot and killed as he and another officer confronted an active shooter at a convenience store at 2885 E Chestnut Expressway.
Sergeant Ben Jenkins was shot and killed when he stopped to assist a disabled motorist on US-93 near mile marker 106 in White Pine County shortly before 6:00 am
It has always been illegal for people in the US to carry a firearm without a special permit that is not only around $100. but also requires classes costing hundreds more. That can also be subject to federal and local restrictions, such they can't have a pot conviction, and are prevented from carrying in a place that serves alcoholic beverages, any place of worship, government meeting place, courthouse, police station, polling place, parades, schools, museums, casinos, etc. And finally can be denied by police without reason.
Since she was able to call 911, then we know for certain that she would have had time to access a weapon if one had been in her purse or glovebox.
As for your examples of police, they were all the aggressors attempting to arrest the suspect. So in effect the suspects were attempting to defend themselves. They were NOT attacking the police.
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As for your examples of police, they were all the aggressors attempting to arrest the suspect
please explain your thinking (assuming that there was some thought involved) as to how Trooper Bullock was the aggressor?
Trooper Joseph Bullock was shot and killed at approximately 10:15 while assisting a disabled vehicle on I-95 just north of the interstate rest area in Martin County.
He stopped to assist the motorist whose vehicle had become stuck on a swale. He had positioned his patrol car behind the vehicle and completed paperwork for approximately one hour while the motorist waited for a tow truck to remove the vehicle. During this time Trooper Bullock had several normal interactions with the motorist.
Once the tow truck driver arrived the man became upset with the cost of having the vehicle towed. He calmly walked back to Trooper Bullock’s vehicle and, without warning, drew a handgun and fatally shot him in the head.
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As for your examples of police, they were all the aggressors attempting to arrest the suspect
please explain your thinking (assuming that there was some thought involved) as to how Trooper Bullock was the aggressor?
Trooper Joseph Bullock was shot and killed at approximately 10:15 while assisting a disabled vehicle on I-95 just north of the interstate rest area in Martin County.
He stopped to assist the motorist whose vehicle had become stuck on a swale. He had positioned his patrol car behind the vehicle and completed paperwork for approximately one hour while the motorist waited for a tow truck to remove the vehicle. During this time Trooper Bullock had several normal interactions with the motorist.
Once the tow truck driver arrived the man became upset with the cost of having the vehicle towed. He calmly walked back to Trooper Bullock’s vehicle and, without warning, drew a handgun and fatally shot him in the head.
Because this is a common swindle police often commit.
They get kick backs from the towing company, so then the police force motorists to use their approved tow company only, causing the charges to be about 5 times what is normal or reasonable. Especially since the vehicle was not even disabled, but just stuck. The cost should normally have been like $20, and I would bet the change could instead have been as high as $500.
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Yes, firearms are the equalizer that allow democratic republics to work.
We assume police should be armed because attackers might be, but no one attacks police. It is actually everyone else except police who really need to be armed. The police can never protect anyone else, so we should all e protecting ourselves, (and others).
Thinking police could or should protect us, is not just wrong, but irrational and dangerous. They will never be there when it is necessary and police actually represent the greatest threat imaginable.
The police have the same right to use guns to defend themselves from violent criminals that women have. The problem is that this society does just about everything short of not allowing women to carry guns to prevent them from doing so.
It obviously doesn't make a lot of sense for women to go around unarmed in this society while the police are fully armed and ready at the drop of a hat to shoot someone. And yet most women don't carry guns or anything else for their own protection. That needs to change.
I agree that women depending on the police to protect them is not at all a good idea. They obviously don't protect women and often seem more interested in harassing them than protecting them.
Women can't rely on the police or 911 but they can rely on a gun. They need to take the responsibility for protecting themselves into their own hands and rely on their own ability to do so.
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why did Lindsay Nichols not have a gun - has some law been passed forbidding women from carrying them or did she (a presumably mature woman of sound mind) make that decision for herself?-mais
She made that decision and it likely cost her her life. The question is why would anyone walk into a dangerous situation at 4:30 AM without having some effective means of defending herself. It's because this society generally gets what it wants and one thing it wants is for women to go around unarmed. Women have been conditioned not to carry guns even though that makes absolutely no sense in this misogynistic culture.
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there is no way of knowing that she would have been any less dead had she been armed
Of course there is no way of knowing that she would have survived just like guns don't guarantee that police officers will survive. What we know is that a gun would have given her a much better chance of surviving.
If you were trapped in a car with two violent criminals outside who wanted to hurt you wouldn't you prefer to have a gun rather than a cell phone? What she should have had is a gun made to look like a cell phone. To heck with cell phones and trying to get the police to help via 911.
What should have happened is her shooting those two guys and then calling 911 to report the shootings. Then it wouldn't have mattered how long it took the police to arrive. Of course if that had happened it's a pretty safe bet they would have got there a lot quicker.
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Yes, firearms are the equalizer that allow democratic republics to work.
We assume police should be armed because attackers might be, but no one attacks police. It is actually everyone else except police who really need to be armed. The police can never protect anyone else, so we should all e protecting ourselves, (and others).
Thinking police could or should protect us, is not just wrong, but irrational and dangerous. They will never be there when it is necessary and police actually represent the greatest threat imaginable.
The police have the same right to use guns to defend themselves from violent criminals that women have. The problem is that this society does just about everything short of not allowing women to carry guns to prevent them from doing so.
It obviously doesn't make a lot of sense for women to go around unarmed in this society while the police are fully armed and ready at the drop of a hat to shoot someone. And yet most women don't carry guns or anything else for their own protection. That needs to change.
I agree that women depending on the police to protect them is not at all a good idea. They obviously don't protect women and often seem more interested in harassing them than protecting them.
Women can't rely on the police or 911 but they can rely on a gun. They need to take the responsibility for protecting themselves into their own hands and rely on their own ability to do so.
Police have the option of calling for backup and just staying away from the threat until backup arrives.
If they are male police, they also are not facing the threat of rape most likely, and if they are large and strong, do not face much of a physical threat.
Women used to carry a little automatic in their purse much more frequently before the 1980s, when all the gun control laws came out. It became MUCH more risky for women to be armed after that. It used to be police ignored women having a gun in their purse, but now one is assured to get arrested unless you have a permit.
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Yes, firearms are the equalizer that allow democratic republics to work.
We assume police should be armed because attackers might be, but no one attacks police. It is actually everyone else except police who really need to be armed. The police can never protect anyone else, so we should all e protecting ourselves, (and others).
Thinking police could or should protect us, is not just wrong, but irrational and dangerous. They will never be there when it is necessary and police actually represent the greatest threat imaginable.
The police have the same right to use guns to defend themselves from violent criminals that women have. The problem is that this society does just about everything short of not allowing women to carry guns to prevent them from doing so.
It obviously doesn't make a lot of sense for women to go around unarmed in this society while the police are fully armed and ready at the drop of a hat to shoot someone. And yet most women don't carry guns or anything else for their own protection. That needs to change.
I agree that women depending on the police to protect them is not at all a good idea. They obviously don't protect women and often seem more interested in harassing them than protecting them.
Women can't rely on the police or 911 but they can rely on a gun. They need to take the responsibility for protecting themselves into their own hands and rely on their own ability to do so.
Women can't rely on the police, 911. These posts are like an end all to be all dependent on cops, is a man without a weapon any more safe/ successful than a woman without a weapon? Why pick on women, they can chose to have a weapon or not just as a man does to say otherwise is a lie.
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