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By change I mean mutate. We are lucky the common cold isn't deadly to multi millions. We do not have the immunity of others, whether disease to food to water in our western world. It is not uncommon for me going to 2nd/third world countries and getting very gross reactions, I won't describe.........
If we did not have some immunity to the common cold, it would kill us all.
The fact you do not die when you get sick traveling, shows you do have some immunity.
Random mutations do happen, but they almost never effect immunity, infectiousness, or lethality. The effects of most mutations is to weaken or kill the virus.
I don't believe the reason why the cold virus isn't more commonly fatal has anything to do with immunity. It's a different virus from other more lethal viruses like the rabies virus. Those differences result in it being much less dangerous.
Viruses are like other living organisms with the potential to be harmful to humans. They are primarily dangerous due to their particular characteristics. For example, a yellow jacket is much more dangerous and prone to cause harm to a human being than an innocuous slug. That's simply due to the way each creature has evolved and their particular defense mechanisms.
Our immune systems are good at protecting us from some creatures, mainly bacteria, but in the case of many others they can't adequately cope without a little help.
Of course some pathogens are more destructive than others, but I don't think that has much to do with lethality.
The most benign pathogen would still be lethal if not for our immune system keeping it in check. Look at Mad Cow disease. It has no harmful intent at all, but simply gets too big for a cell to contain anymore.
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Is Trump technically obese ?
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By change I mean mutate. We are lucky the common cold isn't deadly to multi millions. We do not have the immunity of others, whether disease to food to water in our western world. It is not uncommon for me going to 2nd/third world countries and getting very gross reactions, I won't describe.........
If we did not have some immunity to the common cold, it would kill us all.
The fact you do not die when you get sick traveling, shows you do have some immunity.
Random mutations do happen, but they almost never effect immunity, infectiousness, or lethality. The effects of most mutations is to weaken or kill the virus.
I don't believe the reason why the cold virus isn't more commonly fatal has anything to do with immunity. It's a different virus from other more lethal viruses like the rabies virus. Those differences result in it being much less dangerous.
Viruses are like other living organisms with the potential to be harmful to humans. They are primarily dangerous due to their particular characteristics. For example, a yellow jacket is much more dangerous and prone to cause harm to a human being than an innocuous slug. That's simply due to the way each creature has evolved and their particular defense mechanisms.
Our immune systems are good at protecting us from some creatures, mainly bacteria, but in the case of many others they can't adequately cope without a little help.
Of course some pathogens are more destructive than others, but I don't think that has much to do with lethality.
The most benign pathogen would still be lethal if not for our immune system keeping it in check. Look at Mad Cow disease. It has no harmful intent at all, but simply gets too big for a cell to contain anymore.
Baloney, I am one and Mad Cow disease did have an effect on me. I was in the UK in the major outbreak 96-97 and was not allowed to donate blood for ten years. My father in law died of Mad Cow disease in 1974, apparently was dormant and caught it in the Philippines during WW2. He was 49 and in all my nursing career I've never seen anyone die such a horrid death. Yet you post no "harmful intent" I have to say, you seriously piss me off when you have no clue at all.
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By change I mean mutate. We are lucky the common cold isn't deadly to multi millions. We do not have the immunity of others, whether disease to food to water in our western world. It is not uncommon for me going to 2nd/third world countries and getting very gross reactions, I won't describe.........
If we did not have some immunity to the common cold, it would kill us all.
The fact you do not die when you get sick traveling, shows you do have some immunity.
Random mutations do happen, but they almost never effect immunity, infectiousness, or lethality. The effects of most mutations is to weaken or kill the virus.
I don't believe the reason why the cold virus isn't more commonly fatal has anything to do with immunity. It's a different virus from other more lethal viruses like the rabies virus. Those differences result in it being much less dangerous.
Viruses are like other living organisms with the potential to be harmful to humans. They are primarily dangerous due to their particular characteristics. For example, a yellow jacket is much more dangerous and prone to cause harm to a human being than an innocuous slug. That's simply due to the way each creature has evolved and their particular defense mechanisms.
Our immune systems are good at protecting us from some creatures, mainly bacteria, but in the case of many others they can't adequately cope without a little help.
Of course some pathogens are more destructive than others, but I don't think that has much to do with lethality.
The most benign pathogen would still be lethal if not for our immune system keeping it in check. Look at Mad Cow disease. It has no harmful intent at all, but simply gets too big for a cell to contain anymore.
Baloney, I am one and Mad Cow disease did have an effect on me. I was in the UK in the major outbreak 96-97 and was not allowed to donate blood for ten years. My father in law died of Mad Cow disease in 1974, apparently was dormant and caught it in the Philippines during WW2. He was 49 and in all my nursing career I've never seen anyone die such a horrid death. Yet you post no "harmful intent" I have to say, you seriously piss me off when you have no clue at all.
Mad cow is not a disease. It is not alive. It is just a totally mindless chemical molecule. My point was not that it was harmless, but that it has no intent. It is not even trying to multiply like a virus is.
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Baloney, mad cow is a recognized disease, formal name. Creutzfeldt-Jacobs. It is neither a virus or a bacteria but caused by prions, which no doubt you are an expert.
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Baloney, mad cow is a recognized disease, formal name. Creutzfeldt-Jacobs. It is neither a virus or a bacteria but caused by prions, which no doubt you are an expert.
Something like a sodium deficiency is a recognized disease as well, but the sodium has no intent.
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Low sodium is a symptom of many diseases, it however is not a disease in itself. I have no clue what you mean by "no intent" sodium is extremely important to human survival.
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Low sodium is a symptom of many diseases, it however is not a disease in itself. I have no clue what you mean by "no intent" sodium is extremely important to human survival.
Low sodium or low potassium is a disease all on its own.
If one simply has a deficient diet, and is drinking distilled water, they can become sodium or potassium deficient.
There can be lots of plain dumb minerals that are extremely important to human survival, but it does not mean they are malevolent and out to get us. Viruses on the other hand do have an intent to multiply by killing living cells, so do have an inherent danger that needs to be curtailed, even if the virus is useful in some way. And the point is that all viruses would be lethal if not for the ability of our immune system to keep them in check. We take our immune system for granted, but it really is much more important than we realize. When people talk about being immune to some disease, they think of it as magic, but in reality it is just the ability of our immune system to fight off the pathogen. No magic involed.
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AGAIN, Is Trump technically obese ?
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Low sodium is a symptom of many diseases, it however is not a disease in itself. I have no clue what you mean by "no intent" sodium is extremely important to human survival.
Low sodium or low potassium is a disease all on its own.
If one simply has a deficient diet, and is drinking distilled water, they can become sodium or potassium deficient.
There can be lots of plain dumb minerals that are extremely important to human survival, but it does not mean they are malevolent and out to get us. Viruses on the other hand do have an intent to multiply by killing living cells, so do have an inherent danger that needs to be curtailed, even if the virus is useful in some way. And the point is that all viruses would be lethal if not for the ability of our immune system to keep them in check. We take our immune system for granted, but it really is much more important than we realize. When people talk about being immune to some disease, they think of it as magic, but in reality it is just the ability of our immune system to fight off the pathogen. No magic involed.
Low sodium or potassium, is not a disease, it is a symptom.
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