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First there is a difference in epidemic and pandemic, apparently you don't know the difference and that it is 2020 instead of 1918. What I mean is your archaic.
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First there is a difference in epidemic and pandemic, apparently you don't know the difference and that it is 2020 instead of 1918. What I mean is your archaic.



What is happening in the US is an epidemic of covid-19.
The fact it is pandemic and world wide as well, is actually totally irrelevant really.

It does not matter if this is 1918 or the year 2345, still herd immunity will likely be the only thing that ends entrenched epidemics.
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There is a difference, pandemic relates to a global epidemic, an epidemic is hot spots, as in ebola, which ended up insignificant as a pandemic in most the world, so there is a huge difference as in polio, TB, malaria and many diseases suffered round the world but not here, so those countries after centuries have not achieved herd immunity and those diseases have easy treatments available, but not to multi millions.
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There is a difference, pandemic relates to a global epidemic, an epidemic is hot spots, as in ebola, which ended up insignificant as a pandemic in most the world, so there is a huge difference as in polio, TB, malaria and many diseases suffered round the world but not here, so those countries after centuries have not achieved herd immunity and those diseases have easy treatments available, but not to multi millions.



I do not see the point, because the US had to deal with Ebola, so it was pandemic.
The reason it was not significant was that it was so deadly and quick, that is was easy to trace and quarantine quickly.

But Ebola does show that herd immunity will not always be the best strategy if you can do quarantine instead.
However, imagine if someone has been foolish enough to try to impose a lock down to fight Ebola? Imagine what the death oll would be if with Ebola, we tried to "flatten the curve"?
It would have killed tens of millions in the US.
Flattening the curve really is NEVER an appropriate response to anything, at any time.
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you cant sensibly compare the outbreak (TWO CASES) of Ebola with the covid19 situation.

Ebola is much more difficult to catch you need to be in physical contact with body fluids, there is no casual transmission you cant catch Ebola from simply being in the same room as a sufferer.

But had the US reacted to Covid in the same way that it reacted to Ebola (and NZ reacted to Covid ) then you wouldnt be in the situation you are in now

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You can't sensibly compare the outbreak (2 CASES) of Ebola with the Covid-19 situation.

Ebola is much more difficult to catch. You need to be in physical contact with body fluids. There is no casual transmission you. You can't catch Ebola from simply being in the same room as a sufferer.

But had the US reacted to Covid in the same way that it reacted to Ebola (and NZ reacted to Covid), then you wouldn't be in the situation you are in now.



Amen & hallelujah to that! There are these people in complete denial and it appears they don't care if they have to risk their own lives and family to prove us all wrong and Trump right! I say "screw 'em!" They're hopeless and are part of a group that don't want to be helped! Let's move on with the more sane of us! Feel for the families of such idiots! emoticon

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you cant sensibly compare the outbreak (TWO CASES) of Ebola with the covid19 situation.

Ebola is much more difficult to catch you need to be in physical contact with body fluids, there is no casual transmission you cant catch Ebola from simply being in the same room as a sufferer.

But had the US reacted to Covid in the same way that it reacted to Ebola (and NZ reacted to Covid ) then you wouldnt be in the situation you are in now



Agreed.
Quarantine could have kept covid-19 out, just like NZ and Hawaii did.
But the problem was not Trump, but the courts and US tourists overseas.
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 I dont recall blaming Trump!

US citizens returning from over seas should not have been a problem - the the government had the will to make it not a problem.

Americans over seas could have been repatriated (once they had tested negative) and then held in secure quarantine for 14 days - or until it was certain that they werent infected

NZ had returning citizens but they didnt let that be a problem.

Trump complained bitterly that Obama let Ebola infected Americans into the country but then allowed Americans to return with a much more infectious disease with scant regard to the danger

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 I dont recall blaming Trump!

US citizens returning from over seas should not have been a problem - the the government had the will to make it not a problem.

Americans over seas could have been repatriated (once they had tested negative) and then held in secure quarantine for 14 days - or until it was certain that they werent infected

NZ had returning citizens but they didnt let that be a problem.

Trump complained bitterly that Obama let Ebola infected Americans into the country but then allowed Americans to return with a much more infectious disease with scant regard to the danger




Trump tried to block tourist return until after a quarantine, but was over ruled by the courts.
Presidents in the US has no health care authority.
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Presidents in the US has no health care authority



Under section 361 of the Public Health Service Act (42 U.S. Code § 264), the U.S. Secretary of Health and Human Services is authorized to take measures to prevent the entry and spread of communicable diseases from foreign countries into the United States and between states

Under 42 Code of Federal Regulations parts 70 and 71, CDC is authorized to detain, medically examine, and release persons arriving into the United States and traveling between states who are suspected of carrying these communicable diseases.

furthermore most states have laws allowing for the compulsory quantine of infected persons (or thos suspected of being infected)

in other words there is plenty of authority for the government to detain returing US citizen - they chose not to use their powers


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Presidents in the US has no health care authority.



and yet Trump has issued executive orders on the issue

Executive Order 13674 of July 31, 2014 which amends and enhances earlier executive orders by earlier presidents
Executive Order 13295 of April 4, 2003
Executive Order 13375 of April 1, 2005,


seems that the president has more health care authority than you think

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