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"Fighting" racism seems to be a lot easier for some people than fighting domestic violence. And in reality, it's very doubtful that the company, Franklin Templeton, did anything at all to really fight racism by firing Amy Cooper. They could have actually taken a stand against domestic violence but of course that didn't happen.

It's extremely unlikely that this society will make much progress in reducing irrational violence against black men or truly fighting racism if it continues to excuse and tolerate irrational violence against women. People who are stupid enough to tolerate that sort of violence against women will be dumb enough to support those other things as well while pretending not to.

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Amy Cooper is the subject of this week’s two-minute hate. She was playing with her dog in Central Park’s “Ramble” when she was approached by Christian Cooper (they are not related), a bird-watcher who frequents the Ramble, who asked her to put her dog on a leash, as is required in the area. Amy Cooper, who gives every indication of considering herself a nice Manhattan liberal, said she felt threatened by the mien of the … 57-year-old Harvard-educated bird-watching enthusiast, and she called the police, emphasizing that the man she was calling about was African American.

Christian Cooper documented the episode on his cellphone, that video was uploaded to the Internet, and social media did what social media does. Amy Cooper almost immediately was fired from her job at Franklin Templeton, where she managed the investment firm’s insurance portfolio. “We do not tolerate racism of any kind at Franklin Templeton,” the firm insisted in a tweet accompanied by an image of the firm’s mascot, Ben Franklin, who had some pretty nasty views about race and who was in no way involved in the founding of Franklin Templeton — the company simply appropriated Franklin’s name and likeness when the original firm, Franklin Distributors, was founded by Rupert H. Johnson Sr., whose descendants still control the company.

So, racism will not be tolerated at Franklin Templeton. Would you like to know what is?

In 2002, Chuck Johnson was a third-generation rich guy, the grandson of Franklin Templeton’s founder and the son of its then-CEO, working his way around a company rife with nepotism — the CEO had seven children, all of whom worked at the firm at one time or another. Chuck was earning a seven-figure income and in the running to take over for his father as CEO when, in a fit of drunken rage, he slammed his wife into a kitchen stove hard enough to break the bones of her face. He was later convicted of felony assault and incarcerated for two months. After his imprisonment, he quickly returned to the family business, starting Tano, a wealth-management firm supported in part by business relationships with Franklin, in 2004. Franklin and Tano continued to grow intimately connected to one another, and in 2013 Johnson joined Franklin Resources’ board of directors, a position he held until February of this year. To say that it was unusual for a company with the better part of $1 trillion in assets under management to name a man who had been convicted of a felony to its board would be a great understatement.



https://nypost.com/2020/05/30/the-firm-that-fired-amy-cooper-promoted-heir-who-beat-his-wife/
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I am ambivalent on this one.
The white woman was acting like a real jerk in the video, but we don't see the beginning, so can't really tell?
Personally I think asking to put that particular dog on a leash is wrong. The law would be wrong for most dogs, and only appropriate for some dogs.
So I think it is likely the Black male may have started it.
He did one other serious thing wrong.
And that it is totally and completely illegal to video someone without their consent, and then publish it.
That violates both their privacy and copyrights.
The only exception to that is when someone is a public figure, which she was not.
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I am ambivalent on this one.
The white woman was acting like a real jerk in the video, but we don't see the beginning, so can't really tell?
Personally I think asking to put that particular dog on a leash is wrong. The law would be wrong for most dogs, and only appropriate for some dogs.
So I think it is likely the Black male may have started it.
He did one other serious thing wrong.
And that it is totally and completely illegal to video someone without their consent, and then publish it.
That violates both their privacy and copyrights.
The only exception to that is when someone is a public figure, which she was not.



I agree that Christian initiated the confrontation and that if he had simply left her alone or perhaps left it at just asking her to leash her dog that the 911 call wouldn't have taken place.
I believe Amy greatly overreacted to what she allegedly perceived to be threatening behavior on his part but I'm not sure that it means that she is a racist or at least, any kind of dangerous racist who was trying to see harm come to him. What she apparently wanted was to get him to stop bothering her and/or her dog.

If she had wanted to leash the dog or believed it was a good idea she would have already done so. She also doesn't appear to have liked being told what to do by a stranger which is not an unusual reaction. I doubt that most people in New York would jump to do what any stranger told them to do even when what they are doing isn't legal. If the shoe had been on the other foot would Christian have done something she told him to do like pick up a recently discarded candy bar wrapper?

I also believe that the mass media jumps on the racist bandwagon a little too much when the cop problems that we see in this society are much more complicated than just some cop acting on his racism. The police in this country are often poorly trained, have an us against "them" mentality with everyone outside of the police being "them", have been given essentially a license to kill for too long and also are often macho types who in some cases will become more aggressive when challenged in any way. The latter seems to be what happened in the tragic case of George Floyd. People wanting him to stop hurting George led the cop to continue to hurt him rather than stopping, as a more rational person would have already done.


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"Fighting" racism is easier people for some people than fighting domestic violence."

Philler, diversion, distraction and false equivalency* is easier for some people than dealing with the issue at hand, state sanctioned racism, huh ?

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When is domestic violence state sanctioned?

Do you still beat your wife or call the cops to do it for ya ? emoticon

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I am ambivalent on this one.
The white woman was acting like a real jerk in the video, but we don't see the beginning, so can't really tell?
Personally I think asking to put that particular dog on a leash is wrong. The law would be wrong for most dogs, and only appropriate for some dogs.
So I think it is likely the Black male may have started it.
He did one other serious thing wrong.
And that it is totally and completely illegal to video someone without their consent, and then publish it.
That violates both their privacy and copyrights.
The only exception to that is when someone is a public figure, which she was not.



Considering the number of viscious dogs and injuries that is a ridiculous statement. The "black man started it" well we know where you stand. It was leash your dog as in the rules, whether you like them or not, to a black man was threatening my life, which happened in Starbucks, to a golf course to a swimming pool to walking in a neighbood your aren't supposed to be in, as in Trayvon Martin, it can end. If you notice, the majority of those protesting, are white. "Youre' ambivalent" then you are a huge part of the problem in racism in this country, your ambivlence injures and kills fellow Americans who have doing NOTHING wrong, how proud you must be for that stance............
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"Fighting" racism is easier people for some people than fighting domestic violence."

Philler, diversion, distraction and false equivalency* is easier for some people than dealing with the issue at hand, state sanctioned racism, huh ?

*



False equivalency and diversion? Sounds like the kind of phony excuse Franklin Templeton might use to support keeping a violent criminal on their staff while firing Amy Cooper. I can almost hear them now. It's not the same kind of situation, we can't have a racist on our staff. The wife abuser is not in the same category at all.

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When is domestic violence state sanctioned?



Domestic violence is essentially state sanctioned any time the state requires a victim of domestic violence to press charges against their abuser. They are not treating it like other violent and non-violent crimes when nobody is required to press charges.
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I am ambivalent on this one.
The white woman was acting like a real jerk in the video, but we don't see the beginning, so can't really tell?
Personally I think asking to put that particular dog on a leash is wrong. The law would be wrong for most dogs, and only appropriate for some dogs.
So I think it is likely the Black male may have started it.
He did one other serious thing wrong.
And that it is totally and completely illegal to video someone without their consent, and then publish it.
That violates both their privacy and copyrights.
The only exception to that is when someone is a public figure, which she was not.



Considering the number of viscious dogs and injuries that is a ridiculous statement. The "black man started it" well we know where you stand. It was leash your dog as in the rules, whether you like them or not, to a black man was threatening my life, which happened in Starbucks, to a golf course to a swimming pool to walking in a neighbood your aren't supposed to be in, as in Trayvon Martin, it can end. If you notice, the majority of those protesting, are white. "Youre' ambivalent" then you are a huge part of the problem in racism in this country, your ambivlence injures and kills fellow Americans who have doing NOTHING wrong, how proud you must be for that stance............



Rigby is being much more objective about the disagreement between Amy Cooper and Christian Cooper than many other commentators. Just like what she did, that is not a crime nor will it result in anyone being injured or otherwise harmed.

No pun intended, it wasn't a black and white situation where one party was clearly and overwhelmingly in the right while the other was just being a bad person. That's not quite reality.
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Being "ambivalent" is not being objective, it is saying, don't care. It certainly was a black/white thing. The "mass media" jumped on it, as well they should, that man if the cops had come could have ended up like George Floyd or so many other dozens of black males we have seen in the news, murdered by cops. I don't understand why either of you are flipping it off as if it is no big deal and supporting that jerk of a female, seriously what is up with that crap? What do live in a bubble?
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Being "ambivalent" is not being objective, it is saying, don't care. It certainly was a black/white thing. The "mass media" jumped on it, as well they should, that man if the cops had come could have ended up like George Floyd or so many other dozens of black males we have seen in the news, murdered by cops. I don't understand why either of you are flipping it off as if it is no big deal and supporting that jerk of a female, seriously what is up with that crap? What do live in a bubble?



It's not the responsibility of white women to avoid calling the police when they feel threatened to keep people from being brutalized by those cops. It's the responsibility of the police to be professionals who don't brutalize people. If they can't manage to avoid doing that they need to be greatly restricted in what they are allowed to do. We might even need to take their guns away from them.

Amy claims to have felt threatened by Christian. Was that an overreaction? Perhaps but we weren't there and as Rigby pointed out, we don't have video of the entire incident.

It's very interesting that the mass media and other interested parties are so quick to judge her as some kind of racist troublemaker without really knowing all the details of what happened and/or not caring about them. Jumping to conclusions is the kind of thing that the police do when they assume that some black man is up to no good.

I've heard commentary along the lines that white folks can't know what it's like to be a black man dealing with all the bad stuff he has to deal with. That makes all the negative commentary from both black and white men about Amy Cooper even more interesting. They must have some sort of special power to understand her and what she experienced. Maybe they have special psychic powers.
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I don't care your colour, women need to call anytime their life is threatened, this was not the case. It is extremely obvious what she did and I don't think it was due to racism, I think she was pissed she was called on having her dog off leash and used the black guy as an excuse hoping the cops would race to her defense, they never came did they?
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