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While the Boston massacre should not have happened, it doesn't follow that it should have led to a revolution against the British. That resulted in many more people being killed needlessly. And of course eventually to our own massively destructive Civil War about 80 years later which would likely not have happened if we had remained a part of the British Empire.

Whenever wars can be avoided they need to be.
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I think that is missing many points and I've stated them before. There was jail without fair trials or any trial at all, there was torture and imprisonment, there was murder and rape, there was farms being burned and livestock stolen, their was starvation and gross poverty. It was a dictatorship and exactly what leads to a revolution.
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Philer wrote:

While the Boston massacre should not have happened, it doesn't follow that it should have led to a revolution against the British. That resulted in many more people being killed needlessly. And of course eventually to our own massively destructive Civil War about 80 years later which would likely not have happened if we had remained a part of the British Empire.

Whenever wars can be avoided they need to be.



What I disagree about is that the US likely should have split up.
It is WAY too big.
The South and the North should never be one country.
And likely the west should be a different country as well.
And no, I am not a Southerner.
Born in WI.
The way to have avoided the Civil War would have been to split up earlier, when it was clear they had nothing in common and the North wanted to abuse the south.
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I think that is missing many points and I've stated them before. There was jail without fair trials or any trial at all, there was torture and imprisonment, there was murder and rape, there was farms being burned and livestock stolen, their was starvation and gross poverty. It was a dictatorship and exactly what leads to a revolution.



How much of that terrible mistreatment by the British was propaganda?

"The first casualty when war comes is truth," remarked Hiram Johnson, "and whenever an individual nation seeks to coerce by force of arms another, it always acts, and insists that it acts in self-defense"

[Hiram Warren Johnson (September 2, 1866 – August 6, 1945) was initially a leading American progressive and then a Liberal Isolationist Republican politician from California.]

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quote:

Philer wrote:

While the Boston massacre should not have happened, it doesn't follow that it should have led to a revolution against the British. That resulted in many more people being killed needlessly. And of course eventually to our own massively destructive Civil War about 80 years later which would likely not have happened if we had remained a part of the British Empire.

Whenever wars can be avoided they need to be.



What I disagree about is that the US likely should have split up.
It is WAY too big.
The South and the North should never be one country.
And likely the west should be a different country as well.
And no, I am not a Southerner.
Born in WI.
The way to have avoided the Civil War would have been to split up earlier, when it was clear they had nothing in common and the North wanted to abuse the south.



I agree to some extent. If splitting up was an alternative to remaining politically aligned that would have prevented The Civil War it would have been preferable. The notion that a country divided was worse as Lincoln suggested could hardly have been true.

Of course splitting from the British Empire helped to inspire the efforts of Southern states to try to split from the North. That first questionable rebellion appears to have eventually led to another one which is still having negative political repercussions.
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quote:

Rigby5 wrote:

quote:

Philer wrote:

While the Boston massacre should not have happened, it doesn't follow that it should have led to a revolution against the British. That resulted in many more people being killed needlessly. And of course eventually to our own massively destructive Civil War about 80 years later which would likely not have happened if we had remained a part of the British Empire.

Whenever wars can be avoided they need to be.



What I disagree about is that the US likely should have split up.
It is WAY too big.
The South and the North should never be one country.
And likely the west should be a different country as well.
And no, I am not a Southerner.
Born in WI.
The way to have avoided the Civil War would have been to split up earlier, when it was clear they had nothing in common and the North wanted to abuse the south.



I agree to some extent. If splitting up was an alternative to remaining politically aligned that would have prevented The Civil War it would have been preferable. The notion that a country divided was worse as Lincoln suggested could hardly have been true.

Of course splitting from the British Empire helped to inspire the efforts of Southern states to try to split from the North. That first questionable rebellion appears to have eventually led to another one which is still having negative political repercussions.



The bigger the more distant and corrupt.
There just is no reason for a large country.
Economic unions provide all the benefits and none of the negatives.
States used to work, but the federal government has destroyed states to the point they really no longer exist.

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"How much of that terrible mistreatment by the British was propaganda?"

Are you suggesting the videos of State sponsored police violence, that we have seen with our own eyes are propaganda, fake news,
and so not real ?
Why ?
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If you get out of 1950/60 history you read exactly why there was a revolution. You choose Philer to ignore it and still want to make it over a tea party or the Boston Massacre. The abuses suffered I listed is why the Russians, the French had a revolution or in modern day many other countries, it was no different in the states because they were British white guys.
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The government always controls the media, so things are usually even worse than they seem.
If one just assumed the government was totally corrupt all the time, they likely would be right most of the time.
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