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An example is how modern society tries to make sex illegal until 18. That may be practical since we have created such financial burdens, but it is not right biologically. Humans probably need to be sexually active before 18.



The age of consent is ~16 almost everywhere other than the US.
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An example is how modern society tries to make sex illegal until 18. That may be practical since we have created such financial burdens, but it is not right biologically. Humans probably need to be sexually active before 18.



The age of consent is ~16 almost everywhere other than the US.



Yes, the US is really screwed up. I see it as a police state, but the propaganda tries to say the police are saving us from crime, like all those pot heads.
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It's a "police state" for whom, men? Age of consent at 16 is absurd.
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It's a "police state" for whom, men? Age of consent at 16 is absurd.



So you feel young women need to be protected from their own desires?
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Yes I do as well as young boys. It isn't just about sex but emotions that go with sex, along with diseases and unwanted pregnancies.Desires" start very young, far younger than people acknowledge.
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Yes I do as well as young boys. It isn't just about sex but emotions that go with sex, along with diseases and unwanted pregnancies.Desires" start very young, far younger than people acknowledge.



We are a technical society, so we can deal with diseases and pregnancies.

And what about the emotions that go along with being denied sex?
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Technology can deal with sex, right. It's probably the one thing that it cant. Sexuality can never be denied but you can't deny the emotions that go with it. They are tied for most humans, we don't as I know, have a rutting season.
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That's the way it's supposed to work, but for the last couple decades it's turned into an "us against them" mentality that's gotten worse as time goes on! Not to point fingers, but no one can deny Republicans have pretty much erased the word compromise in their dictionaries! If the word is even implied, it appears the politician will be "primaried" and have someone installed more intransigent because that's where society has gone! Trump has been utilizing these beliefs to the fullest and taken advantage of how stupid it makes us all look! ;-( -Fiero



That intransigence is largely a derivative of the perception on the part of the opposing sides that the other side is morally corrupt. That sort of thinking doesn't lend itself easily to compromise.

The main stumbling block in the case of Republican conservatives is probably their belief that pro-choice persons on the liberal left are evil. The abortion issue can be a difficult one for people to compromise on and it has likely led to the greatest and most acrimonious political division in this country's history.




I have never understood the anti abortion position, since it should be clear that human reproduction rates are based on historic natural infant mortality rates that no longer exist, so are no longer sustainable. Over population is not only the greatest threat to us through the assurance of the extinction of our entire human species, but clearly also causes most human misery, like crime, war, hunger disease, etc.



The anti-choice position is largely based on the fact that a developing human is killed in the abortion process, something which is considered extremely immoral by those who are anti-choice. They are extremely focused on the unborn and their rights rather than pregnant women and their rights.

There is a remarkable lack of concern about pregnant women on their part which is not surprising in a society that doesn't generally seem to be all that concerned with women's rights, including their basic right to defend themselves from violent criminals.
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Where we disagree is that I think even if you have the best possible people in government, they will still totally screw it up if they do what they believe is right.-Rigby



What else would they do? It is the nature of human beings to do what they believe is right.

If people doing what they believe is right will always sabotage any government then all governments will be sabotaged by those within them. And replacing one government with another one through revolution will just achieve those same results.

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That is because we are too conditioned to actually know what is right, especially for other people. So the only way it can work is when government does as little as possible, and only acts to prevent abuses by others.



The problem in that attempt at a solution is that governments will always do just as much as they believe they should do, not as little as possible. And their notion of abuses by others will depend on their own sense of what is right.

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Controlling means to dictate what people must do, not to prevent them from imposing on others. Defending individual rights means to prevent controlling others. For example, when you build a bank with a secure vault to prevent theft, you are not controlling anyone. The potential bank robbers are free to do what ever else they want. The fact you ave prevented them from being able to rob the bank is not control.



You would not be prevented from robbing the bank under normal conditions. So it would be at best only a partial solution which would only prevent burglaries, not robberies of banks.

What you're talking about is analogous to requiring guns to have some sort of mechanism built in to prevent them from being fired by anyone but the law abiding owner. You wouldn't be controlling the owner, just keeping someone else from using their gun without their permission. Somebody who might have stolen the gun to use for criminal purposes.
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Technology can deal with sex, right. It's probably the one thing that it cant. Sexuality can never be denied but you can't deny the emotions that go with it. They are tied for most humans, we don't as I know, have a rutting season.



I said technology can deal with pregnancies and diseases.
But maybe you are right in that there is also internet porn.
But I think the emotional part that involves bonding, feeling secure, attachment, etc., is still missing if one artificially increases the age of consent to 18.
Remember Shakespeare shows historically is was more like 13 to 15.
It is confusing because religions and governments have used control over sex to gain power and control society
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