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Questions about MO's informed consent booklet
Why does it include information about the comparative risk of pregnancy to the risk of legal abortion? If the booklet is designed to discourage abortion, as it appears to be, that information seems to be a little out of place. When you want to discourage women from obtaining an abortion why tell them of the greater risk of pregnancy? Shouldn't you keep that under your hat if abortion is something that should be actively discouraged?
It also has included two different versions of that information which is a little weird. A somewhat ambiguous version from 2017 more in line with discouraging abortion and a 2019 version that is more clear and apparently more accurate. The first one seems more like an attempt to downplay the risk of pregnancy compared to that of legal abortion. Which would make sense in a booklet designed to discourage abortion. But why include any info along those lines at all?
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Long-Term Risks
Based on data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the risk of dying as
a direct result of a legally induced abortion is less than one per 100,000. The risk of dying in
childbirth is less than one per 10,000 births. -Missouri Informed Consent Pamphlet (2017)
Long-Term Risks
Based on data from the CDC, the risk of dying as a direct result of a legally induced abortion is
less than one per 100,000. Based on data from Missouri Vital Statistics, in 2018, the risk of dying
in the state of Missouri in childbirth is 31.4 per 100,000 live births. (2019)
https://health.mo.gov/living/families/womenshealth/pregnancyassistance/pdf/Mo.InformedConsentBooklet-Revisedpgs.12-15August2019jkOGCReviewed.pdf
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Re: Questions about MO's informed consent booklet
It's trying to make them appear like they are something they are not?
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Re: Questions about MO's informed consent booklet
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It's trying to make them appear like they are something they are not?
It makes them appear to be pro-choice while trying extremely hard to be "pro-life." It's almost like they are trying to go two different directions at once.
Perhaps they included that information about the risk of pregnancy because they feared more legal action. Regardless, by putting that information in the booklet they are stepping over the line into the pro-choice category.
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6/23/2020, 10:10 pm
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Re: Questions about MO's informed consent booklet
"by putting that information in the booklet they are stepping over the line into the pro-choice category."
So the truth is not a good point if it does not support your position ? If not that, what then ?
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Re: Questions about MO's informed consent booklet
Best be answered by the state of Missiouri's govt. Unlike what the right puts out PP does not take a pro choice stance, it gives all options and support in choices and is explicit in those choices, medical and personal.
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"by putting that information in the booklet they are stepping over the line into the pro-choice category."
So the truth is not a good point if it does not support your position ? If not that, what then ?
In this case if the state government of Missouri was right about abortion the truth would be irrelevant and only counterproductive. That's why from the perspective of those behind the informed consent booklet what they did doesn't make sense.
It only makes sense for them to tell women the truth in their booklet if they are wrong in their overall approach to abortion. Missouri has reduced the number of abortion clinics in the state to one in St. Louis. That alone doesn't make sense if they should have included that information in their booklet.
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Maybe the answer is, they had no choice. I'm guessing but maybe it is like a physician or a drug company, you have to insert information you really don't want to both pros and cons.
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Maybe the answer is, they had no choice. I'm guessing but maybe it is like a physician or a drug company, you have to insert information you really don't want to both pros and cons.
They likely had a choice but concern about some sort of legal action might have prompted what they did. Regardless of why they did, by doing so they were endorsing abortion.
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I have no clue if they had a choice or not and neither do you. You can't keep repeating something you don't know.
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Re: Questions about MO's informed consent booklet
I'm more interested in what the information means about the abortion issue than I am in the question of whether they had to include it or felt they did. If it is trivial information as the "pro-life" position would have to maintain it is then it didn't belong in a booklet aimed at reducing the number of abortions in Missouri.
Of course in reality it isn't trivial information and its inclusion in that booklet just substantiates that view.
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