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Some good points but we also need the government to protect us from individual and small criminal groups. And obviously to protect us from threats like pandemics.

We're always going to need a government. We just need to have competent people in it who understand and know what they need to be doing.

Once you get people in a government who are foolish enough to believe in things like our violent "war on drugs" the government isn't going to function nearly as well as it should.



There are other ways to protect individuals from small crimes.
Each neighborhood could automatically have HOAs that would elect Neighborhood Watch types. During WWII, my father was the volunteer block warden, and it was a good system that should be around all the time. Civil defense does not have to have much government involvement other than training and IDs, so that there is some uniformity over the whole society.

Pandemics, like all health care, should be international as far as travel restrictions and research, but local as far as facilities and policies.
And neither international nor local really needs much more government involvement than just funding.



The problem of dealing with individual and small group criminal activity doesn't stop with catching them after they have shown their criminal intentions. It's then the government's job to deal with them and to try to rehabilitate them if possible. Neighborhood watch groups are perfectly fine if they don't involve gung ho individuals who get carried away with what they are doing but that kind of group doesn't incarcerate or rehabilitate criminals after they are caught. That's the government's job.



The problem isn't small group criminals anymore, that was before organized gangs and the overtake of neighborhoods that low end earners or long term home owners are confined to, it is economic segregation.



To me the main cause of crime is the wealthy elite limiting economic opportunity.
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I don't disagree, you can go from black Americans to many minority groups, white ones included.
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Some good points but we also need the government to protect us from individual and small criminal groups. And obviously to protect us from threats like pandemics.

We're always going to need a government. We just need to have competent people in it who understand and know what they need to be doing.

Once you get people in a government who are foolish enough to believe in things like our violent "war on drugs" the government isn't going to function nearly as well as it should.



There are other ways to protect individuals from small crimes.
Each neighborhood could automatically have HOAs that would elect Neighborhood Watch types. During WWII, my father was the volunteer block warden, and it was a good system that should be around all the time. Civil defense does not have to have much government involvement other than training and IDs, so that there is some uniformity over the whole society.

Pandemics, like all health care, should be international as far as travel restrictions and research, but local as far as facilities and policies.
And neither international nor local really needs much more government involvement than just funding.



The problem of dealing with individual and small group criminal activity doesn't stop with catching them after they have shown their criminal intentions. It's then the government's job to deal with them and to try to rehabilitate them if possible. Neighborhood watch groups are perfectly fine if they don't involve gung ho individuals who get carried away with what they are doing but that kind of group doesn't incarcerate or rehabilitate criminals after they are caught. That's the government's job.



The problem isn't small group criminals anymore, that was before organized gangs and the overtake of neighborhoods that low end earners or long term home owners are confined to, it is economic segregation.



To me the main cause of crime is the wealthy elite limiting economic opportunity.



They don't seem to care! Some rather have that status while the rest of the world lives in squalor! We allow it though due to the brainwashing of "the right" making out if wealthy people do well, their $$$ will trickle down on us all! Unfortunately they've been pissing on us for decades and for some reason we allow it to be perpetuated to this day! In the 90's when a boom was out there, people shared in the prosperity, taxes were willingly paid allowing the deficit and the Nat'l Debt to go down! I guess some never learn or care really! I have to assume it's willful with all this info out there telling them "they're all fools" allowing this to happen again and again with mismanagement of the country! emoticon

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Agreed.
And it likely is going to get even worse as fossil fuel depletion makes us all less wealthy.
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I don't know when it will be inevitable but it will and I don't think that is far off. Millions of high school and college students are looking at their choices in degrees. My grandkids choices in the handbook offered more than mine did in college. It is amazing, the going jobs and the tools they are learning, are in clean energy, finance, marketing and health care, with many sub groups. When I was in high school, finance was bookkeeping and typing......
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Limited economic opportunity may help to explain crimes like the illegal sale of drugs but not violent crime.
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I dont remember the stats but the cost of living compared to wages rising is shocking. A limited economy causes a list almost as long as my arm Philer it's called knock on effect and violence certainly cant be dimissed. To dismiss it is easy for people when you dont live like some do. That hoevwever does not mean I sanction it, it means there is an admin turning a blind eye. Trump it inciting he should be peace talking and making solutions. That he is not, no surprise.
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Limited economic opportunity may help to explain crimes like the illegal sale of drugs but not violent crime.



It might.
Economic tension causes constant pressure.
You are always anxious, worried, insecure, depressed, embarrassed, etc.
It is easy then to resent those who have it easy in comparison, due to unearned accident of economic status.
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Economic tensions are different than Ted Bundy or Manson or the guy chopping up his wife in the wood chipper for the money. Economic violence when in the home or beating up the guy at 7-11. A homeless person beating up or killing another homeless person. Stuff of statistics but nothing in the news and if it is, forgotten tomorrow.
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I dont remember the stats but the cost of living compared to wages rising is shocking. A limited economy causes a list almost as long as my arm Philer it's called knock on effect and violence certainly cant be dimissed. To dismiss it is easy for people when you dont live like some do. That hoevwever does not mean I sanction it, it means there is an admin turning a blind eye. Trump it inciting he should be peace talking and making solutions. That he is not, no surprise.



Of course violence can be dismissed as being caused by economic hardship. If you're lacking money, starving or in need of shelter do you have to turn to violence to deal with those problems? Of course not.
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