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Unfortunately one of many more cretins like this who needlessly were paroled. A lack of civilization can be indicated by stupid carelessness of this type just as much by acts of violence directed against people in legal custody.

The lives of four women could easily have been saved by simply keeping this walking piece of crap behind bars where he belonged. The 64,000 question is why wasn't he kept behind bars? The real reason is not that he was let out for good behavior.

If that was the real reason for people being paroled Leslie Van Houten would have been paroled decades ago. She has spent almost fifty years behind bars for one murder while this creep was released after only 12 years. Good behavior indeed. What a load of bullshit.

The real reason an extremely dangerous budding serial killer was allowed out was a lack of respect for the female victim and almost total disregard for any potential future victims like her. Talk about a lack of empathy. What real empathy was there here for either the victim or potential victims like her?

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On the morning of July 16, Kimball returned to the apartment she had shared with Jablonski to pick up belongings for their baby. That afternoon she was found dead inside the apartment. She had been beaten, stabbed, and strangled. Jablonski was arrested 11 days later.

He served 12 years in prison for Kimball's murder; he was released on parole for good behavior in 1990, although in 1985 he had attempted to strangle his mother using a shoelace.




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phillip_Carl_Jablonski
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There are just some people who do not fit the criminal justice system, and need to be identified by medical experts, and isolated.
You don't want them in the criminal justice system because judges and juries are not informed as to their pathological nature.
They also do not response to punishment deterrents, and can actually look forward to being incarcerated.
I hate to weaken the protections of individual rights, but there are some exceptions like this that need to be handled differently.
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There are just some people who do not fit the criminal justice system, and need to be identified by medical experts, and isolated.
You don't want them in the criminal justice system because judges and juries are not informed as to their pathological nature.
They also do not response to punishment deterrents, and can actually look forward to being incarcerated.
I hate to weaken the protections of individual rights, but there are some exceptions like this that need to be handled differently.



Unfortunately this country doesn't take mental disorders seriously! It costs to treat and it takes a lot of time and cooperation! What we invariably do is imprison people who probably should have gone to a hospital, but what can we do? We'd rather build prisons over mental facilities! emoticon

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There are just some people who do not fit the criminal justice system, and need to be identified by medical experts, and isolated.
You don't want them in the criminal justice system because judges and juries are not informed as to their pathological nature.
They also do not response to punishment deterrents, and can actually look forward to being incarcerated.
I hate to weaken the protections of individual rights, but there are some exceptions like this that need to be handled differently.



There is evidence that so-called medical experts would endorse and agree to the release of people like this just as much as parole boards. Dangerous people who were deemed mentally ill have been released from mental institutions because medical personnel classified them as "cured."

The real problem isn't placing these sorts of people in the wrong kind of institution. It's not keeping them in whatever kind of institution they are placed in. Anyone within our criminal justice system or in the psychiatric profession should be able to recognize that people like this should not be released. If they don't recognize that there is something seriously wrong with them.

They simply lack the empathy and concern for their fellow humans which would prevent them from agreeing to the release of extremely dangerous cretins like Jablonski. No system devised by men will handle people like him correctly if there isn't enough concern for potential victims in the future.

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Unfortunately this country doesn't take mental disorders seriously! It costs to treat and it takes a lot of time and cooperation! What we invariably do is imprison people who probably should have gone to a hospital, but what can we do? We'd rather build prisons over mental facilities!-Fiero



As I mentioned to Rigby, the problem in this case and many others wasn't treating the mentally ill improperly. It's those in charge of people like Jablonski not having enough concern for potential future victims. Enough concern to keep people like him locked up.

Only a very cold-blooded, incompetent and irrational criminal justice system would ever let someone like him out of prison after only 12 years behind bars. That's because unless those in charge of the creep were completely devoid of any sense at all they'd have to know that he would likely be a threat to other innocent women. In his case they just didn't care enough about those potential victims to keep him locked up.
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Rigby5 wrote:

There are just some people who do not fit the criminal justice system, and need to be identified by medical experts, and isolated.
You don't want them in the criminal justice system because judges and juries are not informed as to their pathological nature.
They also do not response to punishment deterrents, and can actually look forward to being incarcerated.
I hate to weaken the protections of individual rights, but there are some exceptions like this that need to be handled differently.



There is evidence that so-called medical experts would endorse and agree to the release of people like this just as much as parole boards. Dangerous people who were deemed mentally ill have been released from mental institutions because medical personnel classified them as "cured."

The real problem isn't placing these sorts of people in the wrong kind of institution. It's not keeping them in whatever kind of institution they are placed in. Anyone within our criminal justice system or in the psychiatric profession should be able to recognize that people like this should not be released. If they don't recognize that there is something seriously wrong with them.

They simply lack the empathy and concern for their fellow humans which would prevent them from agreeing to the release of extremely dangerous cretins like Jablonski. No system devised by men will handle people like him correctly if there isn't enough concern for potential victims in the future.



Yes there are those who are released. The criminal system, psychiatric profession, judges and juries are not infallible. There are also persons who are innocent. There is no system where a human or humans make a call that won't be wrong.
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Unfortunately this country doesn't take mental disorders seriously! It costs to treat and it takes a lot of time and cooperation! What we invariably do is imprison people who probably should have gone to a hospital, but what can we do? We'd rather build prisons over mental facilities!-Fiero



As I mentioned to Rigby, the problem in this case and many others wasn't treating the mentally ill improperly. It's those in charge of people like Jablonski not having enough concern for potential future victims. Enough concern to keep people like him locked up.

Only a very cold-blooded, incompetent and irrational criminal justice system would ever let someone like him out of prison after only 12 years behind bars. That's because unless those in charge of the creep were completely devoid of any sense at all they'd have to know that he would likely be a threat to other innocent women. In his case they just didn't care enough about those potential victims to keep him locked up.




I disagree.
First of all, putting those with permanent mental/emotional defects into a prison system based on deterrents, will greatly harm the prison system.
Second is that while mental health experts can make mistakes, they are taught and are aware that some people are not "curable".
Much of human society is based on instincts, which can simply be chemically damaged during the reproduction process, and some people simply have damaged instincts.
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Rigby5 wrote:

There are just some people who do not fit the criminal justice system, and need to be identified by medical experts, and isolated.
You don't want them in the criminal justice system because judges and juries are not informed as to their pathological nature.
They also do not response to punishment deterrents, and can actually look forward to being incarcerated.
I hate to weaken the protections of individual rights, but there are some exceptions like this that need to be handled differently.



There is evidence that so-called medical experts would endorse and agree to the release of people like this just as much as parole boards. Dangerous people who were deemed mentally ill have been released from mental institutions because medical personnel classified them as "cured."

The real problem isn't placing these sorts of people in the wrong kind of institution. It's not keeping them in whatever kind of institution they are placed in. Anyone within our criminal justice system or in the psychiatric profession should be able to recognize that people like this should not be released. If they don't recognize that there is something seriously wrong with them.

They simply lack the empathy and concern for their fellow humans which would prevent them from agreeing to the release of extremely dangerous cretins like Jablonski. No system devised by men will handle people like him correctly if there isn't enough concern for potential victims in the future.



Yes there are those who are released. The criminal system, psychiatric profession, judges and juries are not infallible. There are also persons who are innocent. There is no system where a human or humans make a call that won't be wrong.



True, but releasing a known murderer like Jablonski after only 12 years behind bars requires those in charge who could have kept him behind bars to be very defective and cold-blooded in their jobs. They couldn't be very concerned about potential victims like the young woman the creep had already murdered.

In other words, they didn't just make a mistake. They showed themselves to be extremely unqualified for the jobs they held as well as far too much like the guy they released from prison. They didn't care much about the victim either nor about other potential ones.

Criminal justice systems won't work very well when those in charge of them are more like the violent criminals they deal with than their victims and their families.
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Unfortunately this country doesn't take mental disorders seriously! It costs to treat and it takes a lot of time and cooperation! What we invariably do is imprison people who probably should have gone to a hospital, but what can we do? We'd rather build prisons over mental facilities!-Fiero



As I mentioned to Rigby, the problem in this case and many others wasn't treating the mentally ill improperly. It's those in charge of people like Jablonski not having enough concern for potential future victims. Enough concern to keep people like him locked up.

Only a very cold-blooded, incompetent and irrational criminal justice system would ever let someone like him out of prison after only 12 years behind bars. That's because unless those in charge of the creep were completely devoid of any sense at all they'd have to know that he would likely be a threat to other innocent women. In his case they just didn't care enough about those potential victims to keep him locked up.




I disagree.
First of all, putting those with permanent mental/emotional defects into a prison system based on deterrents, will greatly harm the prison system.
Second is that while mental health experts can make mistakes, they are taught and are aware that some people are not "curable".
Much of human society is based on instincts, which can simply be chemically damaged during the reproduction process, and some people simply have damaged instincts.



Regardless whether the problem is mental illness, damaged instincts or an irrational Prima Donna mentality, as I believe was the problem in this case and most others, people like this should not be released from any sort of institution. When they are the bottom line is that someone who was in charge of what happened did not care enough about either the victim or victims of the creep or potential future victims.

You have to be a very cold-blooded, uncaring person to willingly set someone like this free to prey upon more victims. You don't have to hate them, just not care much about them.
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Unfortunately this country doesn't take mental disorders seriously! It costs to treat and it takes a lot of time and cooperation! What we invariably do is imprison people who probably should have gone to a hospital, but what can we do? We'd rather build prisons over mental facilities!-Fiero



As I mentioned to Rigby, the problem in this case and many others wasn't treating the mentally ill improperly. It's those in charge of people like Jablonski not having enough concern for potential future victims. Enough concern to keep people like him locked up.

Only a very cold-blooded, incompetent and irrational criminal justice system would ever let someone like him out of prison after only 12 years behind bars. That's because unless those in charge of the creep were completely devoid of any sense at all they'd have to know that he would likely be a threat to other innocent women. In his case they just didn't care enough about those potential victims to keep him locked up.




I disagree.
First of all, putting those with permanent mental/emotional defects into a prison system based on deterrents, will greatly harm the prison system.
Second is that while mental health experts can make mistakes, they are taught and are aware that some people are not "curable".
Much of human society is based on instincts, which can simply be chemically damaged during the reproduction process, and some people simply have damaged instincts.



Regardless whether the problem is mental illness, damaged instincts or an irrational Prima Donna mentality, as I believe was the problem in this case and most others, people like this should not be released from any sort of institution. When they are the bottom line is that someone who was in charge of what happened did not care enough about either the victim or victims of the creep or potential future victims.

You have to be a very cold-blooded, uncaring person to willingly set someone like this free to prey upon more victims. You don't have to hate them, just not care much about them.



That is part of my point, in that once a person is evaluated as a danger by a psychiatric examination, they can keep them locked up for ever. Which prisons can't do. Prisons are required to let them out after standard sentences, parole, good behavior, etc.
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