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"Crossing the line"


Marine Major General Neary really crossed the line when he asked his troops how they would feel if he used the N word. The use of that word by a white man is taken extremely seriously. You know that it is when even a white major general in the Marines is not given a pass for using the word or even talking about using it to make a point to his troops.

What would have happened if he had used the B word? We know what happened in the case of Bill Burr when he used it as well as what happened when white male talk show hosts have used it. Nothing. Nobody got fired from their job.

I can only recall one TV news reader who got fired for using the B word. He must have been lulled into a false sense of security about using the word on TV by seeing everybody else get away with it.

Until this society treats the B word like it does the N word with the same lack of tolerance it's not going to be a society with equal respect for women. Progress will still need to be made in giving them a society that treats them as well as it treats white men.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/top-marine-general-removed-investigated-racial-slur/story?id=73717785
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Not sure any word should be forbidden.
The 'N' word came from the African country of Niger (French pronunciation) most likely, and has no inherent connotation.
And connotation comes from intent. So a word is not bad by itself, but only in the context of its intent. To then make words off limits regardless of intent, is totally wrong. It is an attempt to bully.
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Not sure any word should be forbidden.
The 'N' word came from the African country of Niger (French pronunciation) most likely, and has no inherent connotation.
And connotation comes from intent. So a word is not bad by itself, but only in the context of its intent. To then make words off limits regardless of intent, is totally wrong. It is an attempt to bully.



I pretty much agree but what I'm looking for is consistency. If this society is going to fire people for using the N word it should also fire people for using the B word. Both words are used to express contempt and hate for specific groups who should be respected equally in this society.
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Not sure any word should be forbidden.
The 'N' word came from the African country of Niger (French pronunciation) most likely, and has no inherent connotation.
And connotation comes from intent. So a word is not bad by itself, but only in the context of its intent. To then make words off limits regardless of intent, is totally wrong. It is an attempt to bully.



I pretty much agree but what I'm looking for is consistency. If this society is going to fire people for using the N word it should also fire people for using the B word. Both words are used to express contempt and hate for specific groups who should be respected equally in this society.




Not sure I would compare the 2 words?
The N word may be intentionally wrong because it may refer to how much money someone else can make off the labor of the victim. A greedy person calling their victim lazy.
But with the B word there is the possibility the word may be accurate and in defense from abusive behavior. I have run into women who are far more active in proscribing and dictating how others are supposed to act than they should, and they are more than a little dictatorial.
Not sure why that may be?
One reason may be the result of frustration from feeling limited or constrained by sexism in our society I would not necessarily be totally aware of.
Another may be that woman get stuck as the disciplinarian when men refuse to do it when it comes to children.
Just guessing.
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Not sure any word should be forbidden.
The 'N' word came from the African country of Niger (French pronunciation) most likely, and has no inherent connotation.
And connotation comes from intent. So a word is not bad by itself, but only in the context of its intent. To then make words off limits regardless of intent, is totally wrong. It is an attempt to bully.



There is no law against using the "N" word, you may if you choose. The word is racist and a slur, derived from the Spanish "negro" being black. The "N" word is a slur and in this country and many others is a slur. The same for the word "!@#$" a slur against women used by men. When it is it used by women against women and I have, you have no sisterhood and screw over men. That is entirely different compared to a race calling name.
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Not sure any word should be forbidden.
The 'N' word came from the African country of Niger (French pronunciation) most likely, and has no inherent connotation.
And connotation comes from intent. So a word is not bad by itself, but only in the context of its intent. To then make words off limits regardless of intent, is totally wrong. It is an attempt to bully.



I pretty much agree but what I'm looking for is consistency. If this society is going to fire people for using the N word it should also fire people for using the B word. Both words are used to express contempt and hate for specific groups who should be respected equally in this society.




Not sure I would compare the 2 words?



Why not? They are very similar terms that are used to express emotions like anger, hatred and contempt for other people. Usually a very specific group which have been disrespected by lots of other people for a long time.

The N word is just a version of the Spanish word negro which simply means black. The B word refers to a female dog which really isn't a milder term in any way.

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The N word may be intentionally wrong because it may refer to how much money someone else can make off the labor of the victim. A greedy person calling their victim lazy.
But with the B word there is the possibility the word may be accurate and in defense from abusive behavior.



To the extent that insulting people is a form of defense both terms can be used defensively against bad behavior. There's no reason to consider the B word as acceptable while rejecting the N word(or the F word for homosexuals) as being off limits. It's purely a societal norm which reflects the relative lack of respect this society has for women compared to other folks.



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Philer wrote:

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Rigby5 wrote:

Not sure any word should be forbidden.
The 'N' word came from the African country of Niger (French pronunciation) most likely, and has no inherent connotation.
And connotation comes from intent. So a word is not bad by itself, but only in the context of its intent. To then make words off limits regardless of intent, is totally wrong. It is an attempt to bully.



I pretty much agree but what I'm looking for is consistency. If this society is going to fire people for using the N word it should also fire people for using the B word. Both words are used to express contempt and hate for specific groups who should be respected equally in this society.




Not sure I would compare the 2 words?



Why not? They are very similar terms that are used to express emotions like anger, hatred and contempt for other people. Usually a very specific group which have been disrespected by lots of other people for a long time.

The N word is just a version of the Spanish word negro which simply means black. The B word refers to a female dog which really isn't a milder term in any way.

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The N word may be intentionally wrong because it may refer to how much money someone else can make off the labor of the victim. A greedy person calling their victim lazy.
But with the B word there is the possibility the word may be accurate and in defense from abusive behavior.



To the extent that insulting people is a form of defense both terms can be used defensively against bad behavior. There's no reason to consider the B word as acceptable while rejecting the N word(or the F word for homosexuals) as being off limits. It's purely a societal norm which reflects the relative lack of respect this society has for women compared to other folks.




The N word is not about someone being harmful or abusive to others.
The B word is.
Whether accurate or not, the implication is that a woman is being hostile, domineering, manipulative, or in someway being harmful or abusive to others.
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The N word is not about someone being harmful or abusive to others.
The B word is.
Whether accurate or not, the implication is that a woman is being hostile, domineering, manipulative, or in someway being harmful or abusive to others.-Rigby



Now you are trying to create a distinction where one doesn't really exist. The N word can be used to refer to someone who has been harmful and abusive and sometimes has been used that way.

Remember Paula Deen, the TV chef who lost her job because she admitted in court that she had once used the N word? Here's what she said at the time:

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Deen testified that she probably used the racial slur when talking to her husband about "when a black man burst into the bank that I was working at and put a gun to my head."
"I didn't feel real favorable towards him," she said, referring to the robber.



https://www.cnn.com/2013/06/19/showbiz/paula-deen-racial-slur/index.html

Think about that. Deen lost her job and her show was taken off the air because she admitted she had once used the N word to refer to a man who had put a gun to her head. She was using a word of contempt for a violent man she had contempt for. Not just using it generically to refer to a group of people as Bill Burr did on SNL.

We all know which one of the two got into hot water and lost money and a TV show over using an insulting word. What many people don't seem to recognize is the reason for that very large difference. One group is being favored over the other and it isn't white women.
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The N word is not about someone being harmful or abusive to others.
The B word is.
Whether accurate or not, the implication is that a woman is being hostile, domineering, manipulative, or in someway being harmful or abusive to others.-Rigby



Now you are trying to create a distinction where one doesn't really exist. The N word can be used to refer to someone who has been harmful and abusive and sometimes has been used that way.

Remember Paula Deen, the TV chef who lost her job because she admitted in court that she had once used the N word? Here's what she said at the time:

quote:

Deen testified that she probably used the racial slur when talking to her husband about "when a black man burst into the bank that I was working at and put a gun to my head."
"I didn't feel real favorable towards him," she said, referring to the robber.



https://www.cnn.com/2013/06/19/showbiz/paula-deen-racial-slur/index.html

Think about that. Deen lost her job and her show was taken off the air because she admitted she had once used the N word to refer to a man who had put a gun to her head. She was using a word of contempt for a violent man she had contempt for. Not just using it generically to refer to a group of people as Bill Burr did on SNL.

We all know which one of the two got into hot water and lost money and a TV show over using an insulting word. What many people don't seem to recognize is the reason for that very large difference. One group is being favored over the other and it isn't white women.



The N word is a put down to all Blacks. It does not differentiate as far as I know, so then it is not deserved normally.
But the B word definitely does. It does not refer to all women, but only very hostile women. And hostility does deserve a negative response and connotation.
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The N word is a put down to all Blacks. It does not differentiate as far as I know, so then it is not deserved normally.
But the B word definitely does. It does not refer to all women, but only very hostile women. And hostility does deserve a negative response and connotation.-Rigby



Another imaginary distinction. Burr wasn't using the B word on SNL to refer to a specific woman who had been hostile to someone. He was using it generically, as many other people have to refer to women in general, or in Burr's case, white women.

Both terms are used to express contempt and/or hatred. They can do that for either one specific person or large groups of people.

The B word is not really a better or milder term than the N word. The entertainment media in this country just acts as if it is.
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